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Monarch 8-32 Nikon braindead? |
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Horsemany ![]() Optics Journeyman ![]() ![]() Joined: February/28/2008 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 643 |
Has anyone looked through the "ED" glassed Monarch?
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Boom Stick ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() Joined: August/29/2007 Status: Offline Points: 20 |
Well here is my question. Wouldn't the BDC reticle make a hell of a lot more sense in a 32x power scope than say something like a 3-9x. Because of the plane that the reticle is on the circles stay the same size, and thus the higher power you go to the smaller the circles would appear in relation to your target. I just really can't find the reason for the BDC on a 3-9x when the dots are basically covering up your target at 400yds or so.
With my limited experience with this reticle I'm not absolutely sure of my theories, but I would think that for varminting that something over 20x with the bdc reticle would be ideal and for medium sized game that a 14x with the bdc would be ideal. Anyone shooting 300yds or less shouldn't have any reason to use the darn thing I would think.
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cyborg ![]() Optics God ![]() ![]() God of Wind Joined: August/24/2007 Location: North Georgia Status: Offline Points: 12082 |
Boom....... I can see where you would have an idea that this makes logical sense. However, the reticle has been tested by many engineers, and also by several outdoor enthusiasts. Chris Farris and the SWFA staff as well. They have the proof that it will and does work very well in all of the available set ups. There is a video of the actual use of the scope with the BDC being used to shoot chains holding up the targets. Our very own Cheaptrick has posted some very good groups using the BDC as well. The very most important thing is knowing what the scope and rifle combo do to complement you as the shooter.
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koshkin ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11853 |
A couple of comments: 1. What do you mean when you say "plane the reticle is on"? All monarch scopes including the 8-32x50 have second focal plane reticles. As for the size of the BDC reticle relative to the target, that depends on which magnification it is calibrated for. On Monarchs, I think the reticleis calibrated at the higest magnification. 2. Personally, I do not like the BDC reticle much since I preffer hashmarks to little circles. Just a personal preference. Besides, I am generally, not very big on holdover reticles in SFP scopes (although I have played with quite a few of them and own one). ILya |
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3_tens ![]() Optics Jedi Knight ![]() ![]() Joined: January/08/2007 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7476 |
Another question why would Nikon marketing not have a link to Rifle Scopes through the front page of there web site. If you search Riflescopes they are under sporting optics but you can not find any mention of them on the sporting optics page linked from the front page. You have to come in the back door.
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They don't want to upset the soccer moms that buy their cameras. Having anything to do with weapons and killing animals could hurt sales in other areas. Swarovski does the same thing to an extent so they don't upset the old ladies that buy their crystal figurines.
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cheaptrick ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20848 |
Someone mention Nikon's BDC reticle??
HA!! Don't even think about trying to shoot any decent groups @ 300 yards with that BDC piece of crap!!
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Horsemany ![]() Optics Journeyman ![]() ![]() Joined: February/28/2008 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 643 |
Nice to see that BDC works for you. They could keep that offering but add fine crosshair and target dot IMO. I would think those are the bread and butter of 32x scopes.
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cheaptrick ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20848 |
I concur.
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trigger29 ![]() Optics Master Extraordinaire ![]() ![]() X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ? Joined: September/29/2007 Location: South Dakota Status: Offline Points: 4341 |
Oh yeah! Well I can do that with my Conquest too...............................at about 30 feet. Nice shooting CT.
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cheaptrick ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20848 |
Thanks, Trig.
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3_tens ![]() Optics Jedi Knight ![]() ![]() Joined: January/08/2007 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7476 |
And I do not use a Nikon Camera So There.
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Sled2live ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() Joined: February/14/2006 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 39 |
So Sarcastically speaking of course....did you miss the eye or the 10 ring?
What was your aim point?
Thanks! good shooting
Scott
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cheaptrick ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20848 |
I was aiming for a flea below the varmints eye, of course.
![]() Point of aim was 10 ring and third circle. I zero'd @ 100 yards.
When I split the circles between the 2nd and third, I came up with this.
![]() Not as tight of group on this target. I wish I had shot some more rounds than I did. With a little practice, I think I could dial in the reticle with my load fairly easily.
Heres one at 200 yards.
![]() I think I fired 4 or 5 rounds while holding on the 2nd circle, then shot the last two or three rounds while splitting the 1st and 2nd circle, but I'm not 100% sure about that.
Thank you for your interest! Sorry to high jack the original post.
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medic52 ![]() Optics Professional ![]() ![]() Joined: October/05/2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 893 |
GOOD SHOOTING CT....I have been playing wiith my BDC trying to learn it....I just got a NEW REM 700 SPS Varmint in 204 and I have been thinking about the monarch 8-32, but I keep going back to Bushnell elite 4200 6x24x40. I have two of them and man they are GREAT.........
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cheaptrick ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20848 |
I'd like to see that Nikon with the ED glass up close.
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medic52 ![]() Optics Professional ![]() ![]() Joined: October/05/2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 893 |
Hey Chris...Cheaptrick and myself think you ought to send us the MONARCH with ED 8x32 to play with. I know XMAS is over (haha)...really thinkking about getting one just can't seem to get my mind made up......
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