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I've been using a Pentax 8x30 DCF WP that Chris talked me into a few years ago, and they are very clear and for the money I've been quite happy with them.

But I've been thinking lately that maybe it's time for a change to a compact, so I went to Cabelas to look last week. Comments are:

1) Leica 10X25- good, fine, did not excite me

2) Swarovski 10x25- amazing feel, very clear/bright, not sure I liked to front focus knob

3) Zeiss Classic 10X25- very very nice, however focus knob is so small I wonder If I could work it with cold fingers and thick gloves on(I hunt in Vermont)

4) Zeiss Victory- prefect feel, really wanted to like them, but I could not get them to "snap" into focus; meaning I kept seeing 1 1/2 picture, if you know what I mean. They were clear, but almost double vision. The Zeiss factory rep was there doing some training, overhead our conversations and looked thu them. 5 seconds later he said they were defective, got another pair, and they were MUCH better, although very sensitive to barrel position(width) or they would give a similiar, although not as bad, effect as the first pair.

 

So I left. A couple days later, on the way home, I stopped by Gander mountain, and although the selection sucked, I did look thru the Zeiss Victory again.....same problem as the first pair I looked at!!!

 

So I don't know what I'm going to do now. My Pentax are THAT big. If I upgrade to another 8x30, can I find something lighter/smaller or at least alot clearer/brighter, or will everthing be incrementally better??

 

Thanks/Kevin

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I own a pair of the 10x25 BCA Trinovids and absolutely love them and smoked the 10x25 Zeiss I tried...  Great field of view, depth of view, great sharpness and resolution and I have yet to detect any CA from them...   They should be noticably sharper and clearer than the Pentax.  They give my Zeiss 10x40B Classics a serious run for their money in normal daylight hours.

You may be hard pressed to find something brighter.  Generally you have to increase your objective size to gain brightness...  either that or upgrade to a model with better coatings. 

In the 8x32s, Nikon SE series seems to get a LOT of reccomendations and at a good price, but they're porros, so don't know how big they would be to your curent bins.  .
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Xenophobe, what's "CA"?

 

Kevin

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CA = Chromatic Aberration

 

It's color fringing around the edges of an object in your field of view.  You'll most likely see it when a subject is up against a lighter background--a bird on a wire against a light grey sky, a deer against a snowy hillside, etc.--and it will probably have a purple or yellow dominant hue to it.

 

As I understand it, it's a result of all the colors not coming back together quite in synch after having been broken down and flipped by the prism in the particular optic that you're using.

 

It's worse in some binoculars than others and it's visible to varying degrees in almost all binoculars if you look for it. 

 

I've learned not to look for it.

 

As for the original question of the post:

 

In compacts the size of the four you mention, I've found that only the Nikon Premier LX and the Zeiss Victory really offer the sharp, crisp image that I like when I'm out birding or hunting.  And even then, I'm certain that if I see something I'm really interested in, I'd much rather have a larger objective lens in my hand.

 

I bought the Premiers over the Victorys and I got them in 8x20 because if I'm gonna carry a compact, it may as well go the whole distance of being truly pocket sized.  I find that I tend more to carry them to sporting or musical events than I do in the field.

 

I chose the Premiers over the Leica and the Zeiss because I liked their ability to match up to my eye more quickly--eye relief just felt better.  The slide and lock eye cups work out better for my spectacles--they remember the distance I need to get proper eye relief.  I also felt that their 5.5 angle field of view afforded a wide enough field of view that I wouldn't get tunnel vision and could use them more readily in 'close-in' situations.

 

Having said all that, I find that I use my Pentax 8x22 DCFMC's that I gave $85 for on eBay last year more often.  I worry about losing them less, they're only marginally bigger, they're phase coated, and the water proofing is better.  The little extra size of the housings actually is worthwhile in low light--I've tried them against the Nikons in the back yard and while the Premiers are sharper in resolving feather outlines on warblers, the Pentax are just as bright.

 

If I had it to do over, I'd probably pass on the Premiers because I just don't find myself using little binoculars that much, not because they're not excellent for the size.

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I agree, inverse porros would be the most cost effective.  Most little roof prism compacts suffer a lot of color fringing.  I tend to look for it, but only really notice it when it's rather apparent.

After looking at about a half dozen compact roofs, I was really surprised at how low the quality was of most offerings under $150.  Bad CA, small field of view, and that horrible "looking through a tube" effect.  I chose the Leica because I wanted optical quality that would at least come close to my Zeiss 10x40b Classics (which are on-par with older Swaro SLCs (without swarobright)), but basically fit in a pocket. 

I do always have the Leicas with me, unless I grab one of my other full sized.  I got my "demo"/refurb on ebay for $339.  There is a pair of the leather clad Leica Trinovids on samplelist.com for $309 I think.  If I didn't have the ones I did, I would certainly jump on them.  They have a field and depth of view like a full sized binocular.  I haven't tried the Swarovski 10x25, but they're too expensive for me to even consider.
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