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I'm a newbie here, but I did search the old forums for info. on the binoculars I'm considering and couldn't find the info. I needed so I thought I'd pose a question here. I'm wanting to buy some 10 power bino's for hunting. I hunt in eastern Oregon desert country and it's not uncommon to view animals at 1000 yards or more. It's very difficult to put horns on a deer at that range without at least 10x binoculars, but that country also requires a lot of hiking, so I need something fairly lightweight. 40mm is as small as I'll consider on the objective end as anything smaller just doesn't let in enough light IMO. I've owned Swarovski SLC 10x50's (nice and bright, but way too heavy) and currently use Bushnell Legend 8x42's (very bright, but not enough magnification) and B&L Discoverer 7x42's (super bright, but not enough magnification ). I'm thinking of selling both pair and upgrading to a pair of Leica's or perhaps the Minox 10x52's. It looks like the Minox are really lightweight and compact for their size. I've found them for $419 and $429 online, but both were New York based discout outlets so I'm hesitent to order them there. SWFA won't match their low price as they claim they aren't reputable licensed sellers.  SWFA has them for $829 which is the highest price on the net - lots of places have them for $719 and they are $699 locally. Anyone have these? Likes/dislikes? I really like SWFA and will probably wait for a pair to hit the sample list if I buy them.

 

I'm also considering the duovid 8-12x42's and the Ultravid 10x42's. I've seen the reviews on the Ultravids as second to none, but what about the duovids? Anyone have a pair that they'd like to comment about? I was thinking the 8x would be great for everyday and then being able to zoom to 12x to put horns on a deer, etc. would be nice. Are they as bright as the regular 8x42 trinovids?

 

 

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Leica is simply the top of the line.  Minox is an excellent second tier bino that is as good as you can get for less than $1,000.  Do not chance buying anything from New York, just check with all the Better Business Bureau complaints that NY & NJ have against these camera shops.  The best you can hope for is gray market, most likely you will receive a chines knock off.

 

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fwiw,
You will regret dealing with the New York Camera Sheisters. I speak from first hand experience.

Buying from SWFA's Sample List is the way to go. Wait for the SHOT Show Samples and go from there. I've owned Leica Trinovid 8x42 BA & BNs as well as my current 8x42 BL Ultravid. In
short I think the Trinovids are very difficult to beat, however, if you want the brass ring the Ultravid is the way to go. I've never seen better...

Regards, Matt in Virginia.
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Thanks for the replies. I too once had a New York Camera Shop try to abscond with my money, but that's why I always use Visa for online purchases - with fraud protection, it's as easy as a phone call to get your money back.  I called the one today that had them for $429 and they were on backorder. I think I've decided I'm going to go with one of the Leica products though...now if the trade in form on the sample list page would just work!

 

Would still like to hear from someone who has the duovids???

 

 

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Well, I went to the optics store today and it was easy to make up my mind. I looked long and hard at both the Leica Ultravid 10x42's and also the Duovid 8-12x42's. I really had a hard time picking between the two. The Ultravid's were easily the brightest clearest binoculars I've ever handled. The Duovid's weren't very far behind, and I could definitely read more detail at 300 yards on 12 power - and the brightness even on 12 power was superb. I thought the 10 power ultravids were brighter than the duovids on 8 power, but it was really close. Either one would be a wise choice. I also got to compare them to Minox 10x52's. I wasn't as impressed with the Minox product as I thought I'd be.

 

I ended up buying the 10x42 ultravids, NIB with the passport warranty (beware - the ones on the sample list are "U" stock and only have a limited warranty - not the same as the passport warranty which covers even accidental damage) for $1325. Also got a Zeiss 65mm spotter with the 15-45 eyepiece and FL glass for $1000 - demo model, but in perfect shape. 

 

Oh - and I used to think my 8x42 Bushnell Legends were pretty good until I compared them to the Leicas! Very clear difference - as one would expect for the $1100 price difference.  

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Someone informed you wrong about our samplelist inventory....all the units marked "SHOT show" or "100% new in the box, 2004 production, all papers, accessories, warranties, etc., exactly as new" have the full lifetime and passport warranty.  If you ever have a question about any item on the samplelist call and ask for me and I will be glad to pull the papers and verify the warranty.

 

Here is an interesting link to a site where consumers can rank on line retailers and inform others about their experience.  HOTBUYS is one of the worst.  There are nine pages of horror stories on this one retailer alone.

 

http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1938.html

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Thanks, Chris for the reply. It's too bad that the girl I talked to at SWFA didn't know about the warranty's or I would have bought from you. I asked for you but you were out for a week and I really needed to get them quick for my hunting trip. I even asked her specifically if they were "U" stock and she said yes...

 

Those hotbuys idiots are a riot - when you call them and ask if your order is on the way, they say "May I ask you a question? So, why do you like Minox?" You can just see the bait and switch coming...

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