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Thinking about buying this scope.  Is it any good?  What's a good price for a used one in good condition?  How does it compare to say Bushnell 20x60x80 Elite, Vixen Geoma Pro ED 67A and Vortex Sandpiper?  Thanx for your help?
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maybe this will help you out.  I believe it was from Fall of 2008:  I'm looking hard at the Elite myself.
 
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I owned a Minox 62 ED for a while, and it was very good. As the website does, I would rate the Minox and Bushnell very close to each other. The Vortex is a good buy for the money but not quite in their class.
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I think you are trying to compare apples, to oranges, to pears a little bit here.

The Vortex Sandpiper is a great scope.  It gets great reviews across the board and I enthusiastically recommend it to anyone who's budget will not allow them to spend more. but it is still a budget-class scope.  Despite the enthusiasm for it, I cannot believe it can be expected to directly compete with scopes costing significantly more.  Somewhere, something was cut out to make it cost what it does. 

I would agree with Mr. Barsness that the Minox and the Elite are basically equal in quality, but they still are totally different products.  The Elite is much, much bigger and heavier than the Minox.  It is not an easy scope to pack around and it will require a better tripod to be effectively stabilized.  On the other hand, it's 80mm objective makes it significantly brighter than the Minox resulting in it being more useful in less-than-ideal lighting conditions and allows for greater resolving capacity.

The first thing you need to do is decide is how much money your budget will really allow you to spend. If it's only a couple hundred dollars, that's OK.  A scope like the Sandpiper will give you years of yeoman's service.  If you can realistically spend more, than you should.

The second thing you need to decide is what kind of spotting scope format you really want to have.  Assuming equal quality scopes are being compared, some basic principles to work from would be:
  • A 50mm scope is absolutely wonderful for backpacking and travel and can be fully capable of providing excellent image quality during daylight hours.  It's small size, however will mean it will be relatively dim during early morning and late evening and under overcast skies or thick canopy. It will also have a somewhat diminished resolving capacity. The maximum amount of magnification that can be realistically utilized will also be somwhat low (likely no more than around 25x).
  • An 80mm scope is absolutely wonderful for getting the very best image during the very most challenging conditions.  It will be brighter and offer the very highest level of resolving capacity.  It will give the best digiscoping results and will be the most useful for any amateur astronomy endeavors. It will also be very big, very heavy, and rather ill-suited to any long-distance packing.  It will require a rather substantial (and therefore more expensive) tripod to stabilize. This size scope can justifiably support magnifications of up to 60x, though only in ideal atmospheric conditions.
  • A 60mm scope is a good compromise between these other two extremes.  It can be small enough that it carries reasonably well in a backpack and yet large enough to get good image quality under challenging light conditions. It can offer pretty good digiscoping results and can even serve for some astronomy work. This is the best overall size for the person who is going to own only one scope and needs it to serve across all purposes.  Max useful magnification for this size scope will be something right around 40x, though again, only during ideal atmospheric conditions.


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I would agree on all those points.
 
A scope with a 75-80mm objective is quite useful where it doesn't need to be hauled very far. A 60mm scope is much better where the scope needs to be packed around, and used on a lighter tripod. While it might not be the equal of the big scope for certain uses, a spotting scope that is with you at all times is more useful than one that isn't.
 
And the Minox is a very good scope for packing around, which is exactly what I used mine for.
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How do you rate the optics- better than the elite?
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doesnt leica make their glass?
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Originally posted by wyobowhunter1 wyobowhunter1 wrote:

doesnt leica make their glass?
 
No, they buy their glass from various sources, just as most optics manufacturers do.
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No, Leica does not make Minox glass.

Minox is (or was) owned by Leica. I don't know if it has been sold or not, but there has been a real effort to market them separately for a while now. This is always a problem when one company buys another company. For instance, Swarovski owned Kalhes for quite a while until recently, so a lot of people looked at Kahles as sort of a Swarovski. They never were. They were a separate company, but a lot of people who bought Kahles optics thought they were getting a more affordable Swarovski.
 
Minox is a German company that engineers/designs optics, then has them made by Japanese companies according to their design. Leica glass has nothing to do with this process, and so Leica glass isn't involved.

 

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Ok so whats your thoughts on their glass then?  What would you compare it to?
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