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I'm looking at both the Minox 3-9X40 and the Vortex Viper 2-7X32.

No one around carries either scope.

How do they compare? Which is best in low light?

Does the Minox have an etched recticle?

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The Minox will edge out the Viper but the Viper is still a worthy contender. I would give the low light advantage to the Minox, the Minox compares close to my Zeiss conquest in the low light department, with a SLIGHT edge going to the Zeiss (for my eyes). As far as not being able to find anyone who carries these scopes, scroll to the top of this page, and where it says - "the opticstalk forum by SWFA" , click on there, hold on tight and enjoy the ride - next stop -scope-ville!
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I believe the Minox reticle is wire
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Heres what I know about Minox, admittedly, not much. They use Schott glass - same as Zeiss. They are German owned and designed but manufactured here in the U.S. I looked through one at my local dealer. It was very nice. I wouldnt be scared to buy one if I was in the market.
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Originally posted by bricat bricat wrote:

The Minox will edge out the Viper but the Viper is still a worthy contender. I would give the low light advantage to the Minox, the Minox compares close to my Zeiss conquest in the low light department, with a SLIGHT edge going to the Zeiss (for my eyes). As far as not being able to find anyone who carries these scopes, scroll to the top of this page, and where it says - "the opticstalk forum by SWFA" , click on there, hold on tight and enjoy the ride - next stop -scope-ville!


I buy all my scopes from SWFA Big Smile

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This is an apples-to-ranges comparison since the configurations are different.

Between these two scopes, Minox will definitely be better in low light.

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I have the Minox ZA-3 3x9-40 and the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40.  In my opinion I would buy the Conquest unless you have found a really good deal on the Minox.  I like just about everything better on the Conquest except the Minox is a little smaller and a little lighter.  I also have a Viper 2-7x32 with C3 reticle and I like it a lot.  However, it's quite a bit different than the Minox and Conquest.  Not really a fair comparison.  Maybe check out the Nitrex TR Two in 2-10x42 (supposedly the same scope as Weaver Super Slam).  Nitrex is offering a $100 rebate on it.  Sightron is also offering a $75 rebate on their SII Big Sky scopes.  SWFA sells the SII BS 3-9x42 for $320.  Most other places sell it for $380.  With the $75 rebate it's only $245 from SWFA, so that's definitely worth a look. 

Lots of good deals out there right now on scopes in the $200 - $500 range.  No need to pay full price at the moment unless you have your heart set some on something in particular. 
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

This is an apples-to-ranges comparison since the configurations are different.

Between these two scopes, Minox will definitely be better in low light.

ILya
in which areas do you feel the viper performs better? (assuming there are any)
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Originally posted by grimreaper21 grimreaper21 wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

This is an apples-to-ranges comparison since the configurations are different.

Between these two scopes, Minox will definitely be better in low light.

ILya
in which areas do you feel the viper performs better? (assuming there are any)

Viper is smaller, lighter and cheaper.  It can be mounted lower and, for close range use, it has wider field of view at 2x.

I also prefer the C3 reticle to the simple plex in the Minox.  However, Minox should be available with #4 reticle pretty soon and that will probably make it my top pick for a hunting scope in the $400 range.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by grimreaper21 grimreaper21 wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

This is an apples-to-ranges comparison since the configurations are different.

Between these two scopes, Minox will definitely be better in low light.

ILya
in which areas do you feel the viper performs better? (assuming there are any)

Viper is smaller, lighter and cheaper.  It can be mounted lower and, for close range use, it has wider field of view at 2x.

I also prefer the C3 reticle to the simple plex in the Minox.  However, Minox should be available with #4 reticle pretty soon and that will probably make it my top pick for a hunting scope in the $400 range.

ILya


When you say it will be your top pick for a hunting scope in the 400 dollar range, is that because of the #4 recticle?
 
Do you think its on par with the conquest?
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I think Minox is largely on par with the Conquest.  Both have their strengths and weakness.

With #4 reticle, I think Minox would edge ahead in my eyes as an allround piece (assuming price does not go up).

See this article:

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Well i think i'm going to order the Minox Big Grin

I like trying new stuff.
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Minox on the way.

I will give you guys a review. The only scope i have to compare it to is a Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9X40 and a Leupy VX-3 my buddy has.


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Should 'best' both of those.......I cant wait for the #4 reticle to be available.


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Hoping to get my hands on a 3-9X40 Zeiss Conquest to compare it to.


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I am interested to hear what you think of the edge clarity on the Minox.  I bothers me on mine.  That's one of the main reasons why I prefer my Conquest 3-9x40.  I also prefer the plex reticle on the Conquest.  Of course not everyone has the same preferences when it comes to plex reticles...
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Vermin93, I'm with you  on the Zeiss reticle, there is none finer IMO. But the Minox isn't that bad. I have heard some people are having issues with edge to edge clarity, I must have got a good one - no issues there.
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Does the minox recticle turn brown in low light like other cheaper scopes with wire recticles?

Mine should be here Friday.



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No, it does not turn brown. I don't like it as much as the Conquest reticle because it's a tad too thick in the center for my taste. To my eyes the Conquest plex reticle is just right. My biggest beef with the Minox is poor edge clarity. Maybe mine is a lemon, which is why I'd like to hear what you think about yours when you get it.
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I'll give you a review tomorrow evening. I'll have some range time and some low light testing with it after tomorrow evening.
 
I think that is a complaint with some of the older Minox scopes (first ones out). I've read a few edge clarity complaints, and i've read some reviews that made the scope sound outstanding and as good or better than the conquest.
 
 
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It just came in. First thoughts are....wow. Very impressive scope. Will report much more tonight or tomorrow. I'm about to mount it and go sling some lead down range. Smile
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If/When they offer the 4a reticle, I will have a 2.5-10X40.............just a waitin......Big Smile
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I have done a comparison between my Conquest 3.5-10x50 vs my Z5 Minox 4-20x50.What I've found is that the fov is smaller on the Minox but the center of the glass is a little more sharp & crisp.I've also found the Minox turrets are a bit mushy.I also like the greater magnification box of the Minox.

Can't go wrong with either.All around shooting I use the Conquest but for precision like on my Anshutz .22lr I go with the Minox!

I used the 5-7-10 power to compare the two scopes at dusk & at dawn.My test is only a laymans test not a tech. test like the ones done by Illya he's much better at that, than I will ever be.

You asked for an oppion,I hope this helped.
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Here are my thoughts on the scope:

This is comparing the Minox 3-9X40 to a Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9X40, Leupy 3-9X40 VX3, and Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14X44.

The 4200 and Leupy aren't in the same class, imo. The Zeiss and Minox are a step above.

Comparing them on similar magnifications and trying to get the FOV and keeping the exit pupil atleast @ 7 or greater:

Like another gentleman posted in another comparison between the two, the Zeiss seems to bring out the brighter colors better, where as the Minox brings out the darker colored objects better. Both are GREAT low light scopes. For dark objects (deer in low light) i would pick the Minox.

Overall clarity, the Minox and Zeiss are both amazing. The Minox seems to have the edge on what i would call definition.

I prefer the Conquests Z-Plex over the MinoPlex due to it being thicker and being Etched. The Minox with the #4 recticle is going to be the cats azz.

Both are extraordinary glass for the money. If I had to pick between the two, i would probably pick the Minox. I think the glass in it is a TINY bit better than the conquests, and that (to me) outweighs the recticle.

Both scopes would allow me to shoot at the last second of legal shooting light at an animal.

I like the Minox's rubber power ring, light weight, length and eye relief.

The Minox has a little bit more eye relief than the Conquest. It is listed @ 4 inches, but feels more like 4.25 inches or more. Its great on a Ruger Number 1, where eye relief makes a big difference if the scope is usable due to the forward mounting you have to use on the Ruger.

Long eye relief is also nice for big medicine loads. I was shooting this attop a Ruger Number 1 in 45-70, which is a pretty stout recoiling cartridge.

If anyone has any questions, let me know. I'll be glad to answer them!


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