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Name here is Paul and I have a mini 30 and was wanting to put a Simmon 44 mag 6.5-20x44 on the rifle.

Pro and Cons on this set up and what rings would you use. What height rings would work because of the objective.

Would use mostly for huntinf deer and hog plus alot of time at the range " which in my back yard.

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a 6.5-20 scope wouldnt be my first choice for a deer rifle, and is simply un-nessesary on  mini 30 if you ask me. something in the lines of a 3-9, or 4-12 would be my choice, but if you want ahigher power, i would get a 4-16. but a 3-9 is what i would choose.

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2 cents worth:

I think a small utilitarian rifle should have a small utilitarian scope. I'd go with a burris 2-7x compact. I think the ballistic plex reticle would be really handy on a 7.62x39 even tho they probably don't have it calibrated for that round... with a little trial and error you otta be able to figure your hold overs out to about 350 yds. Even if its zeroed at 200 yrds it'll typically be almost 24 inches low at at 350 yds. (Thats concidering a 125 grainer at about 2350 fps.) I think I'd even concider putting an under mount laser on it along with the scope.

They are great little rifles and alot of folks living in rural areas have one sitting by the back door for dispatching "pests".
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hi guys ...OK on too much power but iam blind as a bat

so what would be good to use than

most of my hunting is done at Green Swamp

do like to punch paper with it and my AR

thank you

Paul



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Higher magnification does not help you see better and in most cases makes it more difficult to see better because the eye relief is critical, small exit pupil (poor light transmission), heat wave distortion more evident, hard to hold steady, etc.

Put your money in quality optics and you will see better.

Taking into account the weapon, your budget (assumed from the mention of the 6.5-20x44 Mag) and what you want to do with it, I would suggest the Simmons Whitetail Expedition 4-12x42.  It is a compromise in power from what you want and what you should really get, has very good optics, adjustable objective for target shooting and a very good price of $149.95

 

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Forgot to mention, Mini-14's and 30's require higher rings that what you would think on longer scopes because the hand guard is the same height as the receiver and the large raised portion in the middle of the hand guard sticks up higher than the receiver.



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I'm assuming that because of your poor vision you shoot with corrective lenses on... any scope of reasonable quality will allow you to focus the scopes eyepiece so that you have a clear image of the reticle.... most have a huge amount of adjustment in this regard to compensate for differences in people's vision.... the object that you are viewing then will then be in relative focus depending on its distance and the focal length the scope is set at. A lower power scope or the lower power setting on a varible power scope should appear quite clear regardless of your distance or the quality of your uncorrected vision .... once the scope power is increased the depth of field decreases and it becomes necessary to manually focus the objective lense for different distances... the depth of field becomes very small at very high magnifications and hense the amount of leighway in the setting of the objective lense decreases drastically. The scope's power setting only makes the object bigger or smaller.... it doesn't make it any sharper or more focused.... so then the question becomes how much detail do you need to see.... do you want to count points on a rack ... or do you want to count the animals nose hairs?

Most people with vision problems usually shy away from scopes with too much magnification because not having the objective lense set to the right focal length makes them feel like their eyes aren't seeing right.... when in essence it is the scope that isn't seeing right... or actually isn't focused right...

My suggestion is to stay within the lower power range of scopes so you don't have to mess with adjusting the objective lense... plus they can be mounted with their "centers" much closer to the bore.

1.5-6x, 2-7x , or a fixed 4x.... even tho they have smaller objective lenses they are a whole lot easier and more importantly quicker to see thru than a scope of higher power and a larger objective. Not to mention they are lot less likely to get in the way in the pickup and less likely to snag on or bump into something in the field ....    but that part is just my opinion based on my experience and upbringing... when trapseing thru the woods... sometimes less is more.
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Just one other thing.... when you are talking about a rifle with a limited effective range, it can be quite undesirable to be able to see farther than the rifle can shoot.

The 7.62x39mm (or russian short) becomes sub-sonic at about 750 yrds.... and passing back down thru the sound barrier can cause even the best bullet to do really weird things... (Keyhole isn't just a lake in wyoming).

OK .. so now I'm being a "wise-acre"
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