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What is the communities opinion on using a Millett in the War on Terror?  How many of you would be willing to deploy to Iraq ir Afghanistan with a Millett riflescope?  Do any of you know of these scopes in use in theater of operations today?  If so, how did they do?  What about the Millett representative that posts here,  what do you have to say on this?  I'm just wanting to be sure that I buy a mil-spec quality optic the first time.  Thanks for any an all replys.  I look forward to hearing what you all have to say on this.

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Will you be deploying to Iraq or Afghanistan?
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Get your people down...this is going to be a BIG one!! 
 
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This is going to be interesting....I wanted to hear an answer to this question for a while now .
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OK, to kinda ratchet this down a notch or 2 (I'm "trying" to play nice) here's my short answer.


No.

I've owned Millett, I've known a few who own/owned Millett, I've talked with MANY who own Millett and the one remark I hear frequently is, "When the scope fails, they will take care of you."

What bothers me about the converation is the "when", not the "if."

It is something of a foregone conclusion that many - if not most - Millett scopes will fail under normal working conditions (at the bench, on a hunt, etc.)

For genuine tactical guns going into hostile environments, the higher the risk of gear failure, the higher the risk of catastrophic mission failure and loss of life - to the good guys.

Millett might have government contracts (don't know) and I am certain there are many Milletts in Iraq and Afghanistan (mostly the 1-4 DMR, from what I know and have seen), but I do not know of any precision shooters in Iraq or Afghanistan running a Millett scope.

When a gear failure could cost your life, I don't know anyone who goes into battle with a scope whose claim to fame is great Customer Service - or who does so by choice.

Edited for Freudian slip


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Originally posted by fivefdp1010 fivefdp1010 wrote:

What is the communities opinion on using a Millett in the War on Terror?  How many of you would be willing to deploy to Iraq ir Afghanistan with a Millett riflescope?  Do any of you know of these scopes.




Put down the pipe and back away slowly you'll be fine.
Don't let me catch you smoke'n that crap again.


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There are better choices out there lets leave it at that

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There are several threads about Millet's quality, durability and customer service.  Use the advanced search.

If I were being deployed I would run open sights before I would use a Millet.  You could not give me one to use, in fact you could not even pay me to use one in country with my life and others lives on the line.
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As a rule  of thumb ----- Pricing a scope. 
Battle scope.            Decide what your life is worth. Then you will know the price range    
                                 for the scope you would want to have. Then work down from there.
 
Hunting scope           How much will the hunt cost you if the scope fails and you 
                                  can't  compete the hunt.
 
Plinking scope           How much ammunition can you afford to burn on a poor scope.
 
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There was some scuttle butt on this forum from Millet people claiming that some "undisclosed LE/Mil agencies" were using, or were considering using millet optics on their duty weapons. 
Now, I was unable to get those people to release the names of these units, however.    
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Could the failed Milletts be sent to Taliban and Sunni insurgents unrepaired, transferring the risk of catastrophic mission failure and loss of life to the bad guys? Big Smile Maybe those are the undisclosed users already.
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As long as they aren't "Jesus" scopes the taliban will take them.
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

There are several threads about Millet's quality, durability and customer service.  Use the advanced search.

If I were being deployed I would run open sights before I would use a Millet.  You could not give me one to use, in fact you could not even pay me to use one in country with my life and others lives on the line.


I tried to say the same thing, but gentler.  Benefits of owning the forum in question: no need to sugar-coat anything.
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

As long as they aren't "Jesus" scopes the taliban will take them.


And that's a good thing, the "Jesus" scopes are WAY to good for them to have.
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

As long as they aren't "Jesus" scopes the taliban will take them.


And that's a good thing, the "Jesus" scopes are WAY to good for them to have.
And you don't worry as much that the enemy will pick them and use it against you. Big Grin
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They believe in Jesus...  When Saladin's army was defeated at the Battle of Montgisard on November 25, 1177, Muslim soldiers are on record stating they "saw Jesus with a flaming sword leading a host of Angels".  Pope Innocent III was later sainted for his vision of that defeat of the Muslim armies.  Only one tenth of Saladin's army made it home from that battle...
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

They believe in Jesus...  When Saladin's army was defeated at the Battle of Montgisard on November 25, 1177, Muslim soldiers are on record stating they "saw Jesus with a flaming sword leading a host of Angels".  Pope Innocent III was later sainted for his vision of that defeat of the Muslim armies.  Only one tenth of Saladin's army made it home from that battle...


And now we want to win hearts and minds...but I guess that is a different topic altogether.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

They believe in Jesus...  When Saladin's army was defeated at the Battle of Montgisard on November 25, 1177, Muslim soldiers are on record stating they "saw Jesus with a flaming sword leading a host of Angels".  Pope Innocent III was later sainted for his vision of that defeat of the Muslim armies.  Only one tenth of Saladin's army made it home from that battle...


And now we want to win hearts and minds...but I guess that is a different topic altogether.

Technically, not all Muslims believe in Jesus.  That is one of the core disagreements between Sunnis and Shiites.  Sunnis believe in Jesus (although consider him a comparatively minor persona compared to Muhhamed; to them Jesus was prophet Isa).  Shiites do not believe in Jesus being a prophet at all.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

They believe in Jesus...  When Saladin's army was defeated at the Battle of Montgisard on November 25, 1177, Muslim soldiers are on record stating they "saw Jesus with a flaming sword leading a host of Angels".  Pope Innocent III was later sainted for his vision of that defeat of the Muslim armies.  Only one tenth of Saladin's army made it home from that battle...


And now we want to win hearts and minds...but I guess that is a different topic altogether.

Technically, not all Muslims believe in Jesus.  That is one of the core disagreements between Sunnis and Shiites.  Sunnis believe in Jesus (although consider him a comparatively minor persona compared to Muhhamed; to them Jesus was prophet Isa).  Shiites do not believe in Jesus being a prophet at all.

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Saladin's army believed in Jesus...
However, I have continued research and it appears Pope Innocent III was not beatified... is not a saint.  The history around this time is in total disarray.  It appears that it is being rewritten almost daily.  I will have to hunt down the old texts.  It has been long since I studied this and much has happened in the interim.  Innocent was the primary pope of that time, though.  


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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

They believe in Jesus...  When Saladin's army was defeated at the Battle of Montgisard on November 25, 1177, Muslim soldiers are on record stating they "saw Jesus with a flaming sword leading a host of Angels".  Pope Innocent III was later sainted for his vision of that defeat of the Muslim armies.  Only one tenth of Saladin's army made it home from that battle...


And now we want to win hearts and minds...but I guess that is a different topic altogether.

Technically, not all Muslims believe in Jesus.  That is one of the core disagreements between Sunnis and Shiites.  Sunnis believe in Jesus (although consider him a comparatively minor persona compared to Muhhamed; to them Jesus was prophet Isa).  Shiites do not believe in Jesus being a prophet at all.

ILya
Saladin's army believed in Jesus...
However, I have continued research and it appears Pope Innocent III was not beatified... is not a saint.  The history around this time is in total disarray.  It appears that it is being rewritten almost daily.  I will have to hunt down the old texts.  It has been long since I studied this and much has happened in the interim.  Innocent was the primary pope of that time, though.  

Saladin's army were arabs, who are sunni. They believed in Jesus being a prophet.

Shiites are persians and other central asian muslims.

ILya
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I'm losing track, is Millett Christan or Muslim?
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

They believe in Jesus...  When Saladin's army was defeated at the Battle of Montgisard on November 25, 1177, Muslim soldiers are on record stating they "saw Jesus with a flaming sword leading a host of Angels".  Pope Innocent III was later sainted for his vision of that defeat of the Muslim armies.  Only one tenth of Saladin's army made it home from that battle...


And now we want to win hearts and minds...but I guess that is a different topic altogether.

Technically, not all Muslims believe in Jesus.  That is one of the core disagreements between Sunnis and Shiites.  Sunnis believe in Jesus (although consider him a comparatively minor persona compared to Muhhamed; to them Jesus was prophet Isa).  Shiites do not believe in Jesus being a prophet at all.

ILya
Saladin's army believed in Jesus...
However, I have continued research and it appears Pope Innocent III was not beatified... is not a saint.  The history around this time is in total disarray.  It appears that it is being rewritten almost daily.  I will have to hunt down the old texts.  It has been long since I studied this and much has happened in the interim.  Innocent was the primary pope of that time, though.  

Saladin's army were arabs, who are sunni. They believed in Jesus being a prophet.

Shiites are persians and other central asian muslims.

ILya
Powerful prophet... leading a band of Angels with a flaming sword...
Probably shook their belief system a bit, whether it was imagined or made up...
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