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I just purchased a Mil Dot reticled scope (the Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical) and was wondering if using the Mil-Dot for hunting coyotes and is going to be impossible to get used to? I have been reading for the last two hours all of the info I could find on www.mil-dot.com and boy oh boy is that a hard pill to swallow. Does any one use the Mil-Dot for hunting coyotes? Seems like it is a lot of work to be able to sight in the scope. I did however order their CD - http://www.shooterready.com/cdorder.html  on the MilDot and am looking at the Sniper Flash Cards - http://www.sniperflashcards.com/flashcards.asp 

Has any one had any luck with either of these or am I just wsating my money?

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("size of the target in inches" X 27.778) / size of the target in MILS = Range in yards

 

hope this helps. Its easy to use on a stationary target that you know what size it is. This is really what a mil-dot reticle is deisgned for...Range Estimation.

 

If you plan on using it for coyotes I would zero at 100 and use the dots for points of holdover. You could do that or zero at 100 and remember how many MOA at every 100yard increment. Which is what I do when I coyote hunt

 

100 - "0"

200 - "2"

300 - "4"

400 - "8"

500 - "11.5"

600 - "14.0"

700 - "18.0"

this is as far as I have shot out with Black Hills 168gr BTHP Match

-someone else gave me the below numbers for the same ammo out to 1000

800 - 26.0 MOA
900 - 30.0 MOA
1000 - 36.0 MOA

 

I havent tried these because as of now I dont have access to 1000 yards

 

memorize your drop in MOA and just adjust for the range. I have certain landmarks where I hunt that I found the range with a rangefinder and I have the ranges memorized. If you dont do that just bring your rangefinder with you and figure everything out before you start calling.


 

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So if I use a rangefinder I do not need to go through the hassles of utilizing the Mil-Dot system. I can than just use the turrets to set my ranges! Great I get it! I should sight my rifle in dead center at 100 yrds right, then figure out what MOA to use for 200, 300 and so on! Great,thanks!
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yup thats right.

 

But for a backup incase you forget your MOA dope, shoot at different ranges with your hunting round and figure out which dots to use for holdover. Before I got my 4200, I had a TRS-1 and with 147 FMJ's zeroed at 100 yards, My first dot down was the holdover for 200 yards.

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While we are on this subject. If your mil dot is a fixed power you wont  have to consider this but if it is a variable you need to know if it is FFP  (first focal plane) if so adjusting the power ring makes the mil dot reticle larger or smaller and the mil dot can be used at any setting to range objects, however if the reticle stays the same size (rear focal plane) then you can only to use it to determine range at a specific power usually the max power of the scope. Similarly with rear focal plane mil dot or balistic reticles used as known hold over points the hold over is consistent at that specific power usually the max power.  What that means in simple terms is if you sight in the x at 200 and two dots down is just perfect at 500 yds on 10 power then you adjust the power to 6 power poof you just changed everything two dots down is no longer just perfect at 500 in fact at two dots down the bullet strike is way over the target. With a FFP scope that is not the case. The real question is why wouldnt they make all scopes FFP and I'll bet Koshkin can shed some light on that.
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Its the same model as me and has a 2FP reticle. You will need to set it on 12x if you want the mils to be correct measurement. 6x is 1/2 nomral size an 24x is double normal size.

 

I would say if your shooting coyotes figure out your holdover on 6x. If your just using your MOA adjustment then power doesnt matter.



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