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Mil dot is metric no  Imperial units
Mil Dot is not in inches(no MOA), metric system is used throughout the world except the United States and England
First the metric system, as used in most military means ranges are in meters instead of yards. The Mil-dot reticles and metrics are more intuitive clicks this way: 1000 subtends 1 m in a range of 1000 meters. Therefore 1 / 10th of a Mil-Dot (one click on a metric turret) = 10 cm at 1000 meters and 1 cm in 100 meters very simple mathematics.
Mil turret, and a Mil-Dot reticle.(not mix MIL-Dot reticle with MOA turret)
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Mil and MOA are both angular units of measurement, they have nothing to do with linear measurement.  The fact that mils happen to be work out with the metric system is just a bonus.  Once a person stops trying to make mils or moa coincide with linear measurement things get much easier. 
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Mil and MOA are both angular units of measurement, they have nothing to do with linear measurement.  The fact that mils happen to be work out with the metric system is just a bonus.  Once a person stops trying to make mils or moa coincide with linear measurement things get much easier. 

Amen to that, I do think that mils are easier to understand but it´s a discussion regarding two different angular units.

The old saying: "We are approaching the metric system inch by inch" is thus not applicable .......


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the metric system is international, mils, centimeters, meters, kilometers
inches, MOA, yards, only  in the
United States


you need a computer to convert MIL and MOA, calculating distance or size of target
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Again, mils are not part of the metric system, trying to compare it to linear measurement just causes errors and difficulty.  In reality depending upon what country you are in, millradians are different as well.  So they will not be the exact same as linear metric system measurements. 

The only measuring stick you need in your reticle.  You can use that to make corrections or use it for holdover/offs for elevation or windage. Use a range finder to get accurate distances, as ranging with a reticle and doing it accurately is a highly difficult skill and is very easy to get errors.  It is just estimation, not a sure thing.  It is not likely you will know the exact size of your target, so a little error in your estimation and you miss.  A little error in your math and you miss.  It would be a neat skill to have, but unless a person is doing in daily it is just not going to stay with your.  With a range finder your chances for a hit go up dramatically.   

If you have an MOA reticle and MOA adjustments, MOA is just as easy as mils.  And 1/4 moa is a finer unit of measurement than 1/10 mil.  So if you are looking for more precision, 1/4 moa may be a better choice for a shooter. 
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Here in Texas working with MOA and Leupold, only grandparentsSpeedy
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I have always used MOA. I can see inches pretty well in the scope. So MOA adjustment calls are reasonably accurate for me. But i see the beauty in matching reticle/turrets. So i have replaced all my optics and got into mil/mil. Wish i would have done so sooner!
Mil,MOA, either can be used with awesome effect. Matters not which one you choose, concept and execution are exactly the same. Ita the turret/retical match that is the key here.
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There are a few scopes that are MOA Reticle with MOA turrets.
http://nightforceoptics.com/reticles
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I made a mistake when I got my first 10x42 . Mil Dot reticle moa turrets. The 1~4 Classic is much easier to use due to being mil/mil.
The problem causing linear measurement happens to me when estimating the height or width of the target. Then it bleeds over into drop and drift.
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Mils being an angle measure works in American units as well.  1000 yards away a 1 yard target will be 1 mil.  Just check your mildot master...  1000 feet away a 1 foot target will be 1 mil.  1000 inches away a 1 inch target will be 1 mil.  I use it this way very frequently when shooting at tiny targets with a .22 such that all shots must be doped to score a hit.

But, yes, matching reticle and turrets is the only way to go.
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I guess I never fully thot about the 1=1,000 in any unit other than yards or meters. But, that makes perfect sense.
I guess because I started out with a mil dot master. A tool that I really like. In fact, I need to make it a point to add the cost of a MDM into the price of every future scope I buy. Didn't get one when I bought my 1~4x24 and regret it. Those they are a great and tough tool. They are kinda fragile inside cold weather. If kept in a couple layers from my outer parka, they are fine.
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i too have a mil dot master, but with s smartphone, now use apps that do way more.

If you'd stop thinking in inches, adjusting fire gets much, much easier!
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Well here is something to think about. Radians are a angular unit of measure where one radian is just the radius of the circle wrapped around the circumference of the circle. So there are 2 Pi radians to 360 degrees. Now here is where it gets interesting - the Sin function from trig is defined as the ratio y/r where y is the height of the triangle and r is the radius if the circle. For "small angles" the Sin of the angle is approximately equal to angle -ie- the height of the triangle is equal to angle.

One problem of 'mils' is there are some definitions where 2Pi doesn't equal 360 degrees.
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Mil measurement is transgender.  It can use either bathroom equally well. Cool
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What you can do if you have a SFP MOA scope but a mildot reticle is put your own magnification marks that basically turn the Mil reticle to a MOA reticle. 4 MOA is very close to 1 Mil.

Design and print a target with markings at 4moa @100yd/ 4inches (4.19 to be exact) and set this up at 100 yards exactly. With your scope adjust the magnification ring until the mildots line up with the 4moa marks and mark where on your scope this point is. 

I have done this on my Nikon Monarch, the Mildots were accurate at 12x but they become 4moa dots at 10.8x, which funnily enough lines up perfectly with the 1 on the 10x magnification mark.
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I thought this was pretty good:

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2013/07/20/mil-vs-moa-an-objective-comparison/

(The 50 comments below the article is worth a reading)


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Edited by Gerry Atric - August/01/2016 at 07:11
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