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Thunbs%20Up  Mike Huckabee on the 2nd Ammendment:

  • The Second Amendment is primarily about tyranny and self-defense, not hunting. The Founding Fathers wanted us to be
    able to defend ourselves from our own government, if need be, and from all threats to our lives and property.
  • Second Amendment rights belong to individuals, not cities or states. I oppose gun control based on geography.
  • I consistently opposed banning assault weapons and opposed the Brady Bill.
  • As Governor, I protected gun manufacturers from frivolous law suits.
  • I was the first Governor in the country to have a concealed handgun license.

No candidate has a stronger, more consistent record on Second Amendment rights than I do. Our Founding Fathers, having endured the tyranny of the British Empire, wanted to guarantee our God-given liberties. They devised our three branches of government and our system of checks and balances. But they were still concerned that the system could fail, and that we might someday face a new tyranny from our own government. They wanted us to be able to defend ourselves, and that's why they gave us the Second Amendment. They knew that a government facing an armed populace was less likely to take away our rights, while a disarmed population wouldn't have much hope. As Ronald Reagan reminded us, "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." Without our Second Amendment rights, all of our other rights aren't inalienable, they're just "on loan" from the government.

Other candidates say gun control doesn't affect hunting. Now I'm a very avid hunter, but the Second Amendment isn't really about hunting. It's about tyranny and self-defense. The Founding Fathers weren't worried about our being able to bag a duck or a deer, they were worried about our keeping our fundamental freedoms.

I once saw a bumper sticker that said, "Criminals prefer unarmed victims." Criminals will always find a way to get guns. By disarming our law-abiding citizens, we take away the strongest deterrent to violent criminals - the uncertainty that they don't know who is helpless and who is armed. Our law enforcement officials can't be everywhere, all the time. Lawfully-armed citizens back them up and prevent robberies, rapes, and the murder of innocents. Right after Katrina, with law enforcement non-existent, many victims were able to protect their lives, their homes, and their precious supplies of food and water only because they were armed.

Other candidates believe gun control should be determined geographically, but Second Amendment rights belong to individuals, not cities or states. Your Second Amendment rights don't change when you change your address.

Other candidates filed frivolous law suits against gun manufacturers. When I was Governor, I protected gun manufacturers from exactly those types of suits. I allowed former law enforcement officials to carry concealed handguns and removed restrictions on concealed handgun permit holders. I was the first Governor in the country to have a concealed handgun license, and of course I'm a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association.

Other candidates have supported banning assault weapons. When the federal ban on assault weapons expired in 2004, I said, "May it rest in peace." It won't be returning in the Huckabee Administration.

Zealously protecting your Second Amendment rights is another way that I will lift all law-abiding Americans up, by consistently championing your right to defend yourself.

 
Wink Mike Huckabee is right on target.  Now put Duncan Hunter as his vice president and I'd be jumping up and down.Yippee


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I like Huckabee on several issues, but unfortunately, my problem with him is that he's pretty weak on the illegal immigration issue, as evidenced by his policies when in Ark and his answers to questions on the topic in the debates.
 
I would prefer a Fred Thompson / Duncan Hunter ticket myself.
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Weak on immigration? That  is a hard issue because we have a huge number of illegals here from years of looking the other way. The cost to deal with it is enormous but we have to secure our borders, I got to hear Huckabee speak about the inequity of trade with China and I'm liking what he has to say. His plan for illegals is this:
A 9-Point Strategy for Immigration Enforcement and Border Security

Overview: Implement a broad-based strategy that commits the resources of the federal government to the enforcement of our immigration laws and results in the attrition of the illegal immigrant population.

1. Build the Fence

  • Ensure that an interlocking surveillance camera system is installed along the border by July 1, 2010.
  • Ensure that the border fence construction is completed by July 1, 2010.

2. Increase Border Patrol

  • Increase the number of border patrol agents.
  • Fully support all law enforcement personnel tasked with enforcing immigration law.

3. Prevent Amnesty

  • Policies that promote or tolerate amnesty will be rejected.
  • Propose to provide all illegal immigrants a 120-day window to register with the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services and leave the country. Those who register and return to their home country will face no penalty if they later apply to immigrate or visit; those who do not return home will be, when caught, barred from future reentry for a period of 10 years.

4. Enforce the Law on Employers

  • Employment is the chief draw for most illegal immigrants and denying them jobs is the centerpiece of an attrition strategy.
  • Impose steep fines and penalties on employers that violate the law.
  • Institute a universal, mandatory citizenship verification system as part of the normal hiring process.
  • Prevent the IRS and the Social Security Administration from accepting fraudulent Social Security numbers or numbers that don't match the employees' names.*


  5.  Establish an Economic Border

  • Move toward passage of the FairTax.
  • The FairTax provides an extra layer of security by creating an economic disincentive to immigrate to the U.S. illegally.

 

 6.  Empower Local Authorities

  • Promote better cooperation on enforcement by supporting legislative measures such as the CLEAR Act, which aims to systematize the relationship between local law and federal immigration officials.
  • Encourage immigration-law training for police. Local authorities must be provided the tools, training, and funding they need so local police can turn illegal immigrants over to the federal authorities.

7. Ensure Document Security

  • End exemptions for Mexicans and Canadians to the US-VISIT program, which tracks the arrival and departure of foreign visitors. Since these countries account for the vast majority of foreigners coming here (85 percent), such a policy clearly violates Congress' intent in mandating this check-in/check-out system.
  • Reject Mexico's "matricula consular" card, which functions as an illegal-immigrant identification card.

8. Discourage Dual Citizenship

  • Inform foreign governments when their former citizens become naturalized U.S. citizens.
  • Impose civil and/or criminal penalties on American citizens who illegitimately use their dual status (e.g., using a foreign passport, voting in elections in both a foreign country and the U.S.).

9. Modernize the Process of Legal Immigration

  • Eliminate the visa lottery system and the admission category for adult brothers and sisters of U.S. citizens.
  • Increase visas for highly-skilled and highly-educated applicants.
  • Expedite processing for those who serve honorably in the U.S. Armed Forces.
  • Improve our immigration process so that those patiently and responsibly seeking to come here legally will not have to wait decades to share in the American dream.  Governor Huckabee has always been grateful to live in a country that people are trying to break into, rather than break out of.
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Which doesn't reconcile with his exact quote in one of the first debates that the whole anti illegal immigration issue was based on "racism," his promotion of the idea for giving grants to the children of illegals, and his making Arkansas a "sanctuary state."  I'm basing my conclusions about his stance on the illegal immigration issue on what he actually said during the debates.  Otherwise, I think he is well spoken, and I do like his support of the "fair tax" only on purchases, not on income, though unfortunately, I doubt that would ever happen. 

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If you like Duncan Hunter because he realizes why the Founding Fathers wrote the 2nd into the Constitution than why don't you take a hard look at Ron Paul, who is the biggest believer in getting things back to how they should be.  Just a thought.  I know some of you may not agree with him about his policy on the middle east but it's sure hard to argue with him when you see things as he does.
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I'm a Libertarian and Ron Paul would be my candidate of choice by party line, it bears reasoning however that he is way soft when it comes to American foreign policy, IE the war on terror.  I am a firm believer in the Teddy Roosevelt philosophy, Walk softly and carry a BIG STICK!!!!!!!!!!!! Terrorists attacked us here, have attacked our soldiers abroad, we have to seek them out wherever they are and destroy them, regardless of how ugly or politically inconvenient it may be. Ron Paul aint the man to do this job. 
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Not sure why but Ron Paul strikes me as unelectable and a bit of a kook lacking the air of confidence. I have to be a realist and given multiple possibles my guy is anybody who can realistically beat Hillary Clinton.  I had the opportunity to meet Mitt Romney in person at a neighbors house yesterday and he is a good busness man but not strong enought on 2nd ammendment still preferable to the New Yorkers.  I like Fred Thompson as well as Huckabee but my first pick would be Duncan Hunter I just dont think he has the money to be competative. If I had to pick a democrat I would say Bill Richardson and I'm not sure why he isnt showing higher in the D polls.  At this point anything could happen.
Think Cyborg is right we need someone who will track down and kill the enemies of this country.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Think Cyborg is right we need someone who will track down and kill the enemies of this country.
 
I think we need someone as President who can properly "identify" the enemies of this country.....
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I too like Hunter, I still believe that our best possible ticket would be a Huckabee / Thompson ticket. The two of them and their views appear to be in line with one another. I really like Freds attitude towards illegals, and Terrorism and how they are related. I am seeing that Mike is changing his stance more inline with Freds on these issues. You never know though, and Hunter may well be able to surpise everyone, but right now he appears to be lagging behind badly. Urimaginary is right on the spot here, I'm quite sure he feels the same way as I do, Don't trust any candidate that the Media is pushing, because if they tout a Dem, it's a Socialist, or a Facist, if they tout a Conservative it'll be because that one is unelectable. Look for the ones that mainstream media labels as Facist and you'll quickly find that might be your best vote. 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

I Think we need someone as President who can properly "identify" the enemies of this country.....
Interesting thought bro,
I think that our biggest problem in this regard is the politics involved themselves. We as a rule try to appease way too many other countries political leaders. We can't possibly do this, we have to concern ourselves with our own first, our allies second. Then we should send a clear message that we will not be brow beaten by anyone, and any act against us will be dealt with swiftly and with extreme prejudice. This is the only way we can steer through these times that we find ourselves in right now. We should hold Countries responsible for the actions of their citizens just as we are held responsible for ours, and we police ours, they should be held to do the same. I can assure you that the countries in the mideast knew what was fixing to happen (9-11) and did nothing, had the roles been reversed we would have stopped it. In its simplest form, our enemies are many, and mainly the OPEC nations, to include Mexico, and Venezuela.


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can somebody give me that link to show the canidates nra scores and opininons on gun issues ive been wanting to look at it and cant find out who scored what grades from the nra
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thanks bro i really appriciate it!
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Good save pyro.  Keeping a political topic inside the realm of firearms.  Chris won't be able to tell us to cut this sh*t out.Devil  See I do read the rules.

Edited to add:  cyborg the problem is they way we deal with those threats.  You just said we should take care of problems quickly and efficiently and be gone.  The problem is we went into the middle east with a plan that does not jive with the get in, blow stuff up and get out mentality.  Why do you think our poloticians said right out, "this is going to be a long war."  They knew it was going to be long because they never had any plan to get out.

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Pyro did ask as it pertains to the 2nd amendment, Its legal.
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Mithran My Friend, You are dead on there. See It's my contention that Politicians get us into these wars, and then use them for political, and sometimes even personal gain. I wholeheartedly believe when politics get you into a war, once the war starts leave the politics out of it, and let the war dept and the generals do their jobs. Simply put anything else only prolongs the war. War is a detestable thing but it is sometimes necessary for the common good of your Country and even Humanity as a whole. When a war is politicized the only thing that is accomplished is greater losses on both sides, war is ugly and only by doing everything within your power to win, can it be shortened, and lives lost kept to a minimum.
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thanks for the info...good to see many are passionate about it...
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