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I need some help... I am looking to buy some "mid" priced binocs. I am considering the following in 10x42 or 50: Kahles, Steiner Preditor (or other line of Steiner), Minox, or Docter. I am wondering about the warranties, prices, and any other thoughts or opinion you might have to add. I will be using these for hunting deer. Thanks for any info and opinion you might have!   Z-28
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If you look down at what is titled "# Mid-Range Binos", you will see my comparison of the Docter, Minox, and Kahles 10x42s.  Essentially I cannot tell any real difference in these three binos that are all priced about the same.  I will say this, I would probably lean towards the Kahles due to ruggedness.  The Minox is very good, but not as rugged as the Kahles.  I really liked the center mounted adjustments on the Docters, but I have my doubts about the importer.  I know that Kahles and Minox will stand behind their products if there is ever a problem, I am not so sure about B.C. Outdoors (Docter importer).  I personally do not believe that the Steiner Predator is at the same quality level as the rest of these products.  Others will disagree with me on this one.  I would suggest that you give them all a try and see which you like best.  If you can tell any real difference in the three, your eyes are much better calibrated then mine.

 

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Thanks for the info about Steiner, and the other glasses. Do the glasses on the Sample List all come with a new factory warranty, and is it transferable? I really like the prices, and wouldn't have a problem in the world buying a demo. Thanks...Z-28
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Double check with Chris, but my understanding is that if it says demo or sample, then it is warrantied.

 

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I just got a pair of Pentax 10x43 SP and was greatly impressed.  They come real close to quality of my Leica 10x42's.  I think you would be wise to check them out. 

 

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All of the Steiner refurbs on the samplelist have a 5 year, just about everything else that is not electonic has a lifetime.
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The Pentax is very good, but I do not feel that they are the equals of Kahles, Minox, or Docter.  In my experience the Pentax is very close, but just not quite up to the level of the other three.

 

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Thanks for the info.. It looks like I will probably be getting a pair of 10-42 Kahles from Santa.  Z-28
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ranburr..have you looked at the Pentax SP line yet as compared to the Kahles, Minox. or docter?  Just curious, as I said they didn't seem far off from my Leica 10x42's which I consider to be the best out there. 
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I have heard of "refurbished" Nikon LX binos. I'm not sure the price or warranty coverage, but would make a great setup!!

 

I loved my LX's...... 



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Grubbs, yes I looked at a pair of 10x43 Sps.  I thought they were good, especially for the price.  Personally, I did not think they were quite up to the three previously mentioned binos and for my eyes, they are a long way from Leica quality.  That is just me, you may quite literally see things differently.  One thing other than vision, I did not think the Pentax was as rugged as the others.  I got the impression that the Pentax were made with birders in mind rather then hunters.  Keep in mind that all of this optic stuff is very subjective once you get to the level out of the junk and into the good stuff.  This is why I always tell people to test the stuff out before buying it. 

 

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ranburr....thanks, and I agree with you. 
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I belong to an archery forum (archerytalk.com) and all of the hunters were saying that the new Carson XM binoculars are incredible.  So I forked out the $200.00 (which is cheap even for these) and bought them sight unseen.  WOW am I so ever impressed.  They kicked booty over my fathers Nikons and my Boss's Steiners.  They were about equal to my friends Zeiss. 

 

If you have a chance to check out a pair I know you'll be impressed.  Check out the reviews on archerytalk.com infact when I was doing a review search there is a great review from a bird watching forum as well.  There water proof, fog proof.  For a good picture you can check them out at Carsonoptics.com Great binos at a great price.



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I think right now the Carson is an unproven piece of glass...let's wait a while and see what people say.  I have never even heard of them until recently.
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Grubbs, I noticed in an earlier post that you own a Zeiss conquest 3.5-10x44 and a Swarovski A-line 3.5-10x42.  I know that you probably feel that the Swarovski is better but I am curious how much difference there is.  If you get a chance sometime one evening, could you set them up side by side and compare them and see if there is a noticable difference in brightness or clarity.  I haven't been able to see a difference but my evaluations have been informal I have'nt compared them in the evening or fading light.  Thanks in advance.
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tbone1.....we'll do and I'll get back to you.  Hopefully I'll do it this evening.
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