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At the last gun show here I bought a micro-dot from NcSTAR for $70.  What a piece of junk.  I adjusted it as far left as possible to sight it in..... and needed to go further LEFT.  Then, after a few more shots... the dot bounces back and forth.  I opened it up and man, this thing is clearly junk.
 
 
I have an ACOG type knockoff from them on a 22lr and it is fine for what I wanted it for.  That was a pretty good purchase for the $70 I paid for that.
 
So, I am in the market for a serious micro-dot.  Since I am an optics noob, any suggestions?  The micro-dot seems to be the way to go for this weapon.... so I want to stick with that size.
 
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http://swfa.com/Vortex-1x30-StrikeFire-Red-Dot-30mm-Sight-P44623.aspx


Were it me, I'd get one of the above. I linked the model that comes with low rings, you might need medium. If you call SWFA Monday they can tell you which would be a better fit.





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Not looking for the tube.  Looking for the kind like that NcSTAR is, no magnification single dot.
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Get an Aimpoint and be done with it, if your wanting a "serious micro dot", my friend.
 
 
You can switch it to a hand gun, shot gun, AR.....what-eva!
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Don't you think this would be better?  I dislike the tunnel vision of a tube.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Get an Aimpoint and be done with it, if your wanting a "serious micro dot", my friend.
 
 
You can switch it to a hand gun, shot gun, AR.....what-eva!


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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Get an Aimpoint and be done with it, if your wanting a "serious micro dot", my friend.
 
 
You can switch it to a hand gun, shot gun, AR.....what-eva!


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Originally posted by Ick Ick wrote:

Don't you think this would be better?  I dislike the tunnel vision of a tube.
 
 
 
 
I never got that. That was the "FOV" deal that the Eotech claimed that never made sense too me.
IF your using the 2 eyes open method, which you should be, all you should see is the dot.
 
I've used the Relex sight some and always went back to Aimpoints, but thats me.   
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Serious micro-dot? Dude this is a family rated place... The Dead and Phish don't tour no more... We don't know what to tell youPeace
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Serious micro-dot? Dude this is a family rated place... The Dead and Phish don't tour no more... We don't know what to tell you
 
lol.
 
I think I see the problem with our communication.  Actually, I only have one eye... I kid you not.  Perhaps that is why I hate those tube things so much.  With the tubes there is this big honking thing in my way right close to my eye, I hate that.  I guess that is why I liked the smaller "window" looking micro-dot like the trijicon.
 
Believe me, it is AWFUL trying to field a fly ball when playing baseball or softball.  I just can't judge distances of far away objects.
 
 
I never thought about how a tube micro-dot would work so well for a two eyes open shooter.  Unfortunately that is not an option for me.
 
Anyhow, back to the issue at hand.  Thoughts on a non-tube micro-dot like this?  Should I just choose on of the trijicons you guys sell and leave it at that?  Perhaps there is a better solution?
 
 


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Should I be looking at anything other than Trijicon?
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Originally posted by Ick Ick wrote:

 
I think I see the problem with our communication.  Actually, I only have one eye... I kid you not.  Perhaps that is why I hate those tube things so much.  With the tubes there is this big honking thing in my way right close to my eye, I hate that.  I guess that is why I liked the smaller "window" looking micro-dot like the trijicon.
 
I never thought about how a tube micro-dot would work so well for a two eyes open shooter.  Unfortunately that is not an option for me.
 
 
I apologize. I didn't know that.   
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Depth perception with 1 eye is tough. My youngest has a lazy eye which we're using lenses and patches to try and make her use. No lie, she could not make out the big E on the chart with her good eye covered. 

She really likes using the red dot scopes.

I haven't put her behind a reflex sight yet, may give it a try later, but she doesn't seem to mind the tube on the dots. "guess it's something she's just learned with and works for her"

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Gabe Suarez the noted trainer has been working a lot with the new Trijicon sights and thinks VERY highly of them. His use has been mounting them on Glock pistols to aid aging eyes and he and all his trainers, plus a lot of his students are real pleased with both the sights and the concept and execution as well. The model they like best is the dual illumination, which is nice as it's the cheaper of the two. 

Check out the Warrior Talk board for more info if you want. 


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Originally posted by neilbilly neilbilly wrote:

Depth perception with 1 eye is tough. My youngest has a lazy eye which we're using lenses and patches to try and make her use. No lie, she could not make out the big E on the chart with her good eye covered. 

 
That is EXACTLY my problem.  Man I HATED those stupid patches growing up.
 
I have been told on several occasions that if something ever did happen to my good eye that my lazy eye would eventually compensate and I would be able to see normally through it.  Yeah, the large E at the top of eye charts is all fuzzy.  I can't read it from even 5 feet away.
 
Tell her I think the reason is that we are so intelligent.  An average person only uses 10% of their brain capacity.  This leaves plenty of brain left over for the average person to operate both eyes.  Heck, I think Ed has so much unused brain capactiy his brain could run an Imax theatre quantity of eyes if you know what I mean.
 
For those of us using 90% of our brain... there just isn't enough capacity left over to run both eyes and maintain such an enlightened level of conciousness.  Hence the redundancy of two eyes is a casualty of being a leading member of the social elite brain trust.
 
You might have to print this out and show it to your daughter so the explanation can make it directly to her..... instead of being somewhat "over-simplified" by yor repeating what you have read here.....
 
lol.  Just kidding.  Well OK, perhaps not.  Tell her anyway.
 
I just found out that I won the opportunity to buy a black SCAR at a somewhat reduced price... so I may have to put off this purchase for a while.


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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

 
I apologize. I didn't know that.   
Not a problem, nothing to apologize for!
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I've got the Burris FastFire II on a 16" AR, and like it a lot.  Works well, and is a lower price point than the Trijicon - guess it depends on what you're using it for and wallet size.
 
FYI, tube type red dots work fine with both eyes open shooting too - red dot superimposes on target.
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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught feersum dreadnaught wrote:

I've got the Burris FastFire II on a 16" AR, and like it a lot.  Works well, and is a lower price point than the Trijicon - guess it depends on what you're using it for and wallet size.
 
FYI, tube type red dots work fine with both eyes open shooting too - red dot superimposes on target.
 
It looks like SWFA sells both the Trijicon and the Burris FastFire II.
 
I am of the mindset to get what is the best and forget it.  I don't want something that isn't going to last for the long term.  YOu SWFA guys think the Burris would be as high quality as the Trijicon?
 
I would rather spend the extra cash today and be done with it than have something that is not the top of the line.
 
No offense feersum, just trying to do this once and not twice.  Thanks for posting, I never would have considered that.
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Generally, the least expensive decent miniature red dot is the Burris Fastfire II.

As for the more expensive ones, there are quite a few with Trijicons mentioned above probably being near the top of the list.  Insight also makes a very nice version.

Personally, I would probably look at Leupold's Delta Sight.  It is available with a triangular aiming point which, in my opinion makes for a good combination of speed (use it just like a dot) and precision (aim with fine vertex).

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that might be exactly what I am looking for



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Wow, that leupold does sound pretty sweet.
 
 
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Leupold DeltaPoint Reflex Sight


When your optic needs to be faster than your reactions, the Leupold DeltaPoint is not only up to the challenge, but anticipates it. From the pioneers of virtually all current red-dot technology, Leupold’s patented motion sensor discerns any movement of the sight and automatically activates the illumination.

The Auto-Brightness sensor immediately and continuously samples the current lighting conditions to provide optimal reticle intensity, precisely matching your eye’s natural ability to adapt to changing lighting conditions.

The extremely rugged and lightweight magnesium housing provides nimble and precise handling, while the aspheric lens generates the widest field of view and best image quality ever produced in a reflex sight. Unlimited eye relief and copious amounts of elevation and windage travel make the DeltaPoint the perfect companion for virtually any firearm.

Covered by the Leupold Full Lifetime Guarantee; electronics covered by the Leupold Golden Ring Electronics Warranty.

Precision locating pins allow for easy removal/remount while maintaining point of impact. This lets you easily change batteries when needed and not re-sight. The versatility of the DeltaPoint is reflected in the numerous mounting options included in the kit. A unique plate system aligns the mount with the gun, ensuring a perfect fit. Every DeltaPoint kit includes 10 plates for the most popular handgun applications. You can also choose a cross-slot mount for easy coupling with Picatinny Weaver-style rails and bases. With so many options, you can guarantee a great fit on your favorite pistol, shotgun, or AR-style rifle.

DeltaPoint Mounting System - The DeltaPoint Kit comes with a complete mounting system compatible with most common handguns including:
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  • Taurus PT99
  • Glock 17/22/23/26
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  • SIG SAUER P226
  • Smith & Wesson Revolvers
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  • 1911 Standard (Colt)
  • CZ 75
  • Springfield XD
  • Kimber Adjustable
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Features:
  • Aspheric lens is set in a wide housing, increasing the usable field of view by up to 56 percent (depending on firearm) as compared to other reflex sights.
  • With edge-blackened treatments, the lens produces an exceptionally bright, sharp and clear image across the visual field.
  • Optics treated with DiamondCoat for high resistance to abrasion and scratches.
  • Proprietary motion sensor detects even the slightest movement and instantly activates the illumination, ensuring that DeltaPoint is ready when the time comes for quick action.
  • Auto-brightness sensor continuously samples lighting conditions and adjusts to changes, providing optimal reticle intensity that allows the shooter to quickly place the reticle on the target.
  • Auto-off feature shuts down the reticle after an inactive period, that delivers up to twice the battery life of other reflex sights.
  • Lens housing is made from lightweight magnesium tested to withstand up to 3,500 Gs of impact.
  • DeltaPoint is waterproof and shock proof, and covered by the Leupold Full Lifetime Guarantee.
  • 3.5 MOA Dot reticle offers a reliable aiming point familiar to many shooters.
  • The 7.5 MOA reticle is ideal for identifying and zeroing in on close-range targets. Bold and easy to find for fast target acquisition.
  • Low-profile design that keeps the sight on target, yet unobtrusive to the shooter.
  • Precision locating pins allow easy removal and installation of the mounting brackets while maintaining point of impact.
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I know the question is about centered around the window style of dot scopes. However,  I had the uncommon luck to train someone on the P90 who can only process data from one eye - effectively blind in one eye. My experience is that I would still suggest you carefully mull over the Aimpoint suggestions before going with one of the window style sights. The issue with the window style is they tend to have a narrow visibility angle because of the way they are illuminated - it is extremely easy to end up too high and not be able to pick up the dot. If you are going with one, get one the uses a battery powered light source. The dots are much more intense and easier to pick up than the tritium for folks with vision issues. 

If you reconsider the tube style mount the tube as far forward as you can this really helps with folks who don't have both eyes working. The reason is that it allows you to look around the scope much more effectively which is likely what is bothering you about the tube style scopes.

On the flip side if this is just a fun gun.... run whatever you like. :)
Just my two cents... 
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Originally posted by Ick Ick wrote:

that might be exactly what I am looking for

OH Gereat --- Now Im going to have to buy one of these. Stare   I just love the triangle aiming point of my 1.5x Trijicon compact ACOG  TA442.  The thing I like least about dots is the lack of the same kind of precision that I get from the triangle.   A lot of dots are way too big for anything except CQB under 100 yds.  I regularly get sub moa groups at 300 with the amber triangle on the TA442 because of the point of the triangle giving a precise aiming point.
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