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Thanks in advance for any help on this... I was given a 7mm-08 Tikka T3 by my Grandmother (I am 14) I have to buy the scope. I have always heard you get what you pay for with scopes, and since this will be a gun I will keep from now on, I want to put something special on it. I have been saving for awhile now and have up to about $1400 to spend.
My Dad has a Meopta 3-12x56 meostar and he says he still is not sure about it. (says it still doesn't seem to suit him). I don't want to overspend but I like the Ziess Conquest 3-12x56 30mm  and the Zeiss Victory 2.5 - 10x50 and am still considering the Meopta 3-10x50. I hunt in Ga. mostly fields and some woods, and go to Nebraska once a year
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well sir for $1400 you will for sure get a very nice scope! there is absoulutely nothing wrong with a zeiss victory very nice scope, if you buy meopta buy an r1.


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If I was scoping a light petite gun like a T3 I'd opt for a less bulky 1" scope.  The Conquest would serve you well if you're already considering those.  I don't like the way a bulky scope can ruin the feel of a hunting rifle.
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Congrats!  You have a special Grandpa......... just like mine, mine bought me a Rem. 1100 shotgun back in 1981 and I was the happiest kid I knew that fall!  Whatever you do, don't EVER sell or trade that rifle!
 
Now to your question.  here are a few suggestions:
 
3791 Swarovski 3-9x36 American Light Weight 52040, Matte finish, one inch tube, plex reticle, fast focus eye piece, resettable windage & elevation, light ring marks. $887.00 $649.95
9193 Swarovski 1.7-10x42 Z6 59214, Matte finish, 7A reticle, 30mm tube, fast focus eye piece, reseatable windage and elevation, likew new condition $1,965.00 $1,499.95
7257 Zeiss 2.5-10x42 Diavari VM/V 5216719908, Matte finish, #8 reticle, 30mm tube, fast focus eye piece, light ring marks, rub mark on occular end, factory certified refurbished, lifetime transferable warranty. $1,703.00 $1,199.95
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btw....... where do you hunt in Nebraska?
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my grandpa and 5 of his friends own a 4800 acre ranch near fort robinson
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Holy Mackeral, Andy!!!  $1400 to spend on a scope???!!!!  Oh, boy!!   Buy a Kahles and then keep the rest of the money for another RIFLE!!  Bucky    
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Do you have a good set of binos?

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Originally posted by Horsemany Horsemany wrote:

If I was scoping a light petite gun like a T3 I'd opt for a less bulky 1" scope.  The Conquest would serve you well if you're already considering those.  I don't like the way a bulky scope can ruin the feel of a hunting rifle.
............In agreement with Horsemany on this one!
 
Meoptas, even though they have great glass, are heavy and bulky. The Zeiss, for weight would be a little better to tote around.
 
I`d be more inclined to look at the Swaro American series for the better handling and feel on that T3. A 40mm objective or less, would look much better on that rifle than say a 50mm or 56mm. It will reduce the profile, the weight and the expense, even though you have $1400 to spend.
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if he spends a lot of time in a tree stand weight wont be an issue, im guessing in hunting fields and woods of georgia, he will be in a stand of some sort, if he wants a top shelf victory let him get it, he will be spoiled for life but that fine.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

if he spends a lot of time in a tree stand weight wont be an issue, im guessing in hunting fields and woods of georgia, he will be in a stand of some sort, if he wants a top shelf victory let him get it, he will be spoiled for life but that fine.
.......................For that T3 rifle though, whether hunting from a stand or not, I`d still opt for the looks and feel of the $800+ 3-9x36 Swaro American and save or spend the difference on something else. If one cannot get the job done with that Swaro, then it won`t happen with anything else either!  
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the victory is a better scope than the american, squeeze the american is the equiv of the kahles kx
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

the victory is a better scope than the american, squeeze the american is the equiv of the kahles kx
........I know that! But if it were me, I`d go the Swaro and do something else with the $ difference.
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thats fine, then get a zeiss conquest and a pair of vortex razor binos
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Some people want really nice glass Squeeze even though you don't think it is necessary. 

I would save up a little more and get a Swaro z6 1.7-10x42 if it were me.  You are already almost there, might as well get the best since your spending that much anyway.  
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thats my thoughts, buy the best you can afford
you only need to save another $400 for a z-6


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The Victory is better optically than the Swaro American. But is it that much better to justify an additional $700?? A 44% increase? Are the Victory`s optics 44% better than the Swaro`s?.....Nope!...........As with all high end scopes, the percentage of price increase is well and far above any percentage of optical improvement.
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Well, duh.  But for some people it definitely is, just not for you.  Your happy with your VX3 and comparable scopes, and that fine.  But some of us are not and want much better glass.  He wants a great scope so he should get a great scope.
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

The Victory is better optically than the Swaro American. But is it that much better to justify an additional $700?? A 44% increase? Are the Victory`s optics 44% better than the Swaro`s?.....Nope!...........As with all high end scopes, the percentage of price increase is well and far above any percentage of optical improvement.


is a vx3 worth 50% more than a 4200 elite??
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look at this

2008 Riflescope Rating Scale

 

10 - Swarovski Z6, Zeiss Victory

9 - Kahles C - CL & CSX, Schmidt & Bender

8 - Kahles KX, U.S. Optics, Swarovski PH & American, X.O.T.I.C.,  Zeiss Classic

7 - Bushnell Elite 6500, Leupold VX-7, Nightforce, IOR Valdada

6 - Bushnell Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch & Monarch X, Zeiss Conquest

5 - Leupold Mark 4 VX III & VX-L, Nikon Monarch Gold & Titanium, Sightron SIII

4 - Burris Black Diamond Signature Select XTR & Euro Diamond, Meopta, Pentax Lightseeker, Super Sniper, Trijicon Accupoint, Weaver Grand Slam

3 - Bushnell Elite 3200, Leatherwood, Leupold VX-II, Millet, Nikon Buckmaster, Sightron SI & SII, Vortex

2 -  Burris Fullfield II & Timberline, Leupold Rifleman & VX-I, Mueller, Nikon ProStaff, Simmons, Swift

1 - Barska, BSA, Tasco

0 - ATN, Leapers, NcStar


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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Some people want really nice glass Squeeze even though you don't think it is necessary. 

I would save up a little more and get a Swaro z6 1.7-10x42 if it were me.  You are already almost there, might as well get the best since your spending that much anyway.  
............I know that! But you know as well as I, that as the price goes up, the optical quality doesn`t increase at the same percentage or rate. The ratio of additional benefits in optical quality gained vs the increase in price, is mimimal.
 
It also boils down to the individual`s eye balls. I have read some reviews where some do say that their VX3`s were as good as their Conquests and even their Swaros! On the flip side, I`ve read the opposite too...........Go figure!
 
If someone feels that they need a $1500- $2000 scope and deem it necessary,,,, then go for it!!!
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

The Victory is better optically than the Swaro American. But is it that much better to justify an additional $700?? A 44% increase? Are the Victory`s optics 44% better than the Swaro`s?.....Nope!...........As with all high end scopes, the percentage of price increase is well and far above any percentage of optical improvement.


is a vx3 worth 50% more than a 4200 elite??

for that matter is the vx3 worth 150% more than a team primos?
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Duh!.............Like I stated, if someone wants a $1500-$2000 scope,,,,then go for it!.........No! The VX3 is not woth 50% more than the Elite 4200 and is not worth 150% more than the Primos!
 
But in this case, the 50% or 150% of the lower priced scope differences of which you refer to, IS still a smaller overall dollar number than the $700 difference between the Swaro American and the Victory...........If the eye balls can justify the additional $700, then by ALL MEANS,,,,do it!
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

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