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Just wanted to do a followup on these binos that I have reviewed before..
I started hunting with them last year..

Spent the last few days hunting with them and am still extremely happy with them.

Standouts:
  • outstanding glass
  • great resolution and contrast
  • they do a great job of looking into thick brush and being able to discern the details
  • easy to use, no eye strain
  • great low light capability
Very pleased an expect to have for a long time...
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I don't have that much time behind mine, only about 3 weeks or so, but have still managed to use them quite a bit scouting, and just comparing them to what I have, specifically the SLC HD's in 10x42.  In short, I agree with ccoker entirely.  

As compared to the SLC HD, side by side on a tripod, here's what I've seen;
1.  SLC may be very, very, very slightly sharper, but you have to search to see it, and search hard.
2.  Meopta has equally as good resolution as the SLC HD, which is fantastic.
3.  Meopta has better contrast than the SLC HD and it's easily seen.  As ccoker said, colors and details jump out at you immediately.  It's very impressive.
4.  Meopta is heavier, but that's a good thing in my book.  They are much easier to hold steady.  They are   also, in my opinion, appear to be sturdier and more solidly built than anything Swaro makes, including         the SLC HD.
5.  Ergos, I slightly prefer the SLC HD.
6.  Focus mech is smoother on the Meopta.
7.  Meopta 10x42 HD is a helluva bargain at the $900 I paid for them.  

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I was testing against a Leica 3-12x50 going back and forth until it was too dark to see anything more than just a faint outline of a deer and I frankly couldn't detect any difference.

Well, the Meopta binos had another minute or two
In short, they were a perfect compliment to each other
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i love mine. im so glad i didnt buy the 8x42 because where i hunt that extra little bit of magnificationis absolutely perfect. and like mentioned above, zero eye strain and very easy to hold steady
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yep, agree on that as well, if I was bow hunting I would want less but 10x is good as I tend to hunt out of a blind and scan tree lines 100-300 yards away, especially at dusk.  Being able to peer back into the woods looking for a buck that is hung up is crucial to me.
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ye i bought those for rifle hunting but for bowhunting i bought the 6.5x32 meopros. love those as well. near HD image, great buy for the price
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They're so good I own the 8x32 Cabelas Euro HD's too.  They're super sweet as well.  
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I agree these are great binoculars.  I have also compared them with some of the best, and believe they hold their own.


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There is an 8x32hd?   Sweet
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yea the euro hd 8x32
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I bought mine in September and I couldn't be happier.  They are heavier than what I previously had but its not an issue.  I wear glasses and have no problem with them.  I recommend them to all my hunting buddies.  
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Meopta makes good stuff for sure
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Does anyone know if/when there will be a 8x42 mm MeoStar HD?   I know a lot of people want one, but have they (Meopta) ever confirmed that one is coming?


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before i bought my 10x i called meopta and asked them about an 8x.   was told there are no plans to do an 8x42HD as of yet
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Thank you

I am disappointed. Once I recover from Christmas I am planning on jumping from my 7x43 ed3 to a "middle class" binocular.

I read about the MeoStars, Razors, and Conquests and decided that the MeoStar HD is where I wanted to look first. I am looking for an 8x42ish hd model. The lack of MeoStar availability throws out my first inclination, and pretty much makes it a personal choice of rather or not I think the Razors are worth the extra money over the Conquests when regarding the common choices.

Those two are talked about all the time,so I won't ask for a rehash but what about the Minox HG, Kahles, and maybe even the Kowa Genesis? I have noticed less reading material on these three relative to the first ones mentioned.

Where is the line price wise for the " middle " bins before one should just go for broke and get a 2k $ model ( ain't happening, $1400 or so is my firm max; just too many hobbies to spend it ALL in one place).

Also, while I am asking impossible questions, do most of you feel that the upper crust of the China bins like the McKinely and Prime are actually optically inferior to the 1k $ group or is it more of a build quality and logo pride thing? I am not bent on spending a grand or so just so I can be a proud owner. I could happily get one of these if I felt they were better than what I have. I just want to make sure I improve on my ed3 by a healthy step and the 1k group is where I have been conditioned consumer-wise to think I need to go. I actually like my ed3 a lot, it is actually the realization that as good as they are, that it gets a lot better still that has me embarking on this adventure.

This is the very preliminary research stage, still defining the options to find in person and have a look through.

Thanks for the patience.

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I found a couple of older posts by RifleDude on this forum that probably knock Kahles out of the contest in light of the others on the list.
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Originally posted by Dr.Pepper Dr.Pepper wrote:

Thank you

I am disappointed. Once I recover from Christmas I am planning on jumping from my 7x43 ed3 to a "middle class" binocular.


Thanks for the patience.


What do you think you need to change about the ZEN 7x43?  Like a lot of relative newcomers there is a tendency to get the idea that there exists a sizable difference as you go up in price.  The ZEN ED 3 is a good glass and you will be hard pressed to beat it much at 4x its price.  The differences are usually more subtle and unless you drive yourself into obsessing about what in reality amount to trivial differences, you are not going to gain as much as you seem to think you will.  You will spend a bunch of money however.

That is not to say differences don't exist, they do.  But without  knowing what you need improvements in, it is sort of hard to answer your question.
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Thanks Klamath,

You were very helpful to me last time I was here. You basically sold me on the Calderas when I was asking about this sort of thing a while ago but at the time I was most curious about the reported merits of a 7x, so I ended up with the ed3.

I guess I don't have any very specific complaints about the ed3 that need upgrading other than there is some little something or other about the eye ups and eye relief that takes a little bit of fidgeting to get just right. It is subtle, but always there. I was able to deal with it at first but I notice it more as time goes on. I am not sure what the deal is, but they don't snap into place.

In terms of where I want optical improvement, it is resolution and contrast. I am not a color or CA man, or an edge sharpness guy, or a guy who moans about the focuser having .1 mm of play, nor do I give a hoot which direction it focuses in, but I want to be able to distinguish objects against similar backgrounds for as far away and as long (dark/early) as possible is less than ideal weather.

Also, In broad daylight without too many heat waves, my ed3 are plenty good, and impressive to me. Then the clouds will visit for a few minutes and I am screwing with my diopters trying to recover some of the beautiful picture I had just a few minutes before, usually just wasting my time until the sun comes back. I know that less light means that the image can't be as good, but I expect that higher optics might be less affected by such lighting shifts. I am talking about sharpness and clarity of lines, not image brightness.

Yes, I am newish and have been led to halfway believe that if I pay enough, I will eventually get battery free night vision, lol! There indeed is this expectation that more $ means better optics and it seems that most guys that upgrade routinely say they wish they had done it sooner. This seems to apply to guys going from Bushnell to Vortex and also to guys going from Zens to Meoptas, and again from there to the alphas.

I enjoy using my bins enough that if I can afford more optical performance, I am reluctant to walk away from it.
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If I were you, given the fact you like 8x, I'd take a hard look at the Cabelas Euro 8x32 HD.  Fantastic stuff. 
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" but I want to be able to distinguish objects against similar backgrounds for as far away and as long (dark/early) as possible is less than ideal weather."

This is exactly what the HD glass in the Meoptas do

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I just watched  two does cross through my back yard with my non-HD Meopta 10x42's. I have no problems viewing into cover at 300 yards with these. So I can only imagine what the HD's are like.
I don't see the advantage, if the online specs are correct, in bothering with the 8x32. It looks like the gain is a half inch less in outside  dimensions with a few ounces difference. What do you guys think?
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Doug,

The difference in hand is really noticeable. The barrels are much smaller, and the 8x32 just has a tiny feel to it. Also they are over 1/2 pound lighter than the 10x42 (21 ounces vs. 31 ounces).
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Originally posted by Dr.Pepper Dr.Pepper wrote:

Thanks Klamath,

You were very helpful to me last time I was here. You basically sold me on the Calderas when I was asking about this sort of thing a while ago but at the time I was most curious about the reported merits of a 7x, so I ended up with the ed3.

I guess I don't have any very specific complaints about the ed3 that need upgrading other than there is some little something or other about the eye ups and eye relief that takes a little bit of fidgeting to get just right. It is subtle, but always there. I was able to deal with it at first but I notice it more as time goes on. I am not sure what the deal is, but they don't snap into place.

In terms of where I want optical improvement, it is resolution and contrast. I am not a color or CA man, or an edge sharpness guy, or a guy who moans about the focuser having .1 mm of play, nor do I give a hoot which direction it focuses in, but I want to be able to distinguish objects against similar backgrounds for as far away and as long (dark/early) as possible is less than ideal weather.

Also, In broad daylight without too many heat waves, my ed3 are plenty good, and impressive to me. Then the clouds will visit for a few minutes and I am screwing with my diopters trying to recover some of the beautiful picture I had just a few minutes before, usually just wasting my time until the sun comes back. I know that less light means that the image can't be as good, but I expect that higher optics might be less affected by such lighting shifts. I am talking about sharpness and clarity of lines, not image brightness.

Yes, I am newish and have been led to halfway believe that if I pay enough, I will eventually get battery free night vision, lol! There indeed is this expectation that more $ means better optics and it seems that most guys that upgrade routinely say they wish they had done it sooner. This seems to apply to guys going from Bushnell to Vortex and also to guys going from Zens to Meoptas, and again from there to the alphas.

I enjoy using my bins enough that if I can afford more optical performance, I am reluctant to walk away from it.

The only thing that makes much sense to me about the ZEN 7x43 observations you have is that the eye relief is wrong for you.  I understated that myself as they are not right for me, and trust me here there are few binoculars that give me fits, but I had to get a slip on eye shield from Nikon that they use for their EDG binoculars and the eye placement and usable eye relief became about perfect.  That is a simpler and less expensive solution you might try first.

One of the things I have come to believe is that the absolute quality of the optics is NOWHERE near as important in the ultimate user satisfaction as the way the binocular fits your face and eyes. Nearly as important is the way the binocular balances in your hands when using it.  Don't get the idea here I'm saying a Barska that fits your face is a good idea, I'm talking about acceptable use quality optics, not junk.

I have also come to see a lot of the ...,"its the best money I ever spent"..."should have done this earlier"...seem to be guys trying to convince themselves they did right.  I started my hobby looking for the right alpha for me.  I've concluded it is not there.  The Leupold Gold Ring HD 8x42 is the closest I've come.  It, for me anyway, balances the optics, face fit, and balance better than anything I've tried.  I will concede there are "better" binoculars (in very small degrees) but I'm likely done looking.

If I was looking for a "better binocular" than what I have and IF I did not have the GR, there are three I'd go for.  The Vortex Razor HD, the Zeiss Conquest HD, and third the Meopta HD.  The Meopta is last on my list because I'm a 7-8x user.  Those are as good as the eye can use, IMHO.  I have not seen the new Meopta HD, but there were few flies, if any on the original Meostar.  I'd say find one of those three, or two maybe, you probably won't find anyplace that will have all three.  If one of those tells you that you like it, get it and go use it.  It will take a year for you to get through all seasons and really get a handle on how well it really suits you.

Don't think HD is a magic bullet either, it has little benefit unless you are particularly susceptible to seeing color fringing. Marketers like it because they can make us think it IS a magic bullet.  Side by side you can see differences in color and brightness, but out in the field those differences are actually pretty small.  Just remember the ZEN ED has pretty good ED glass and is as good as nearly anything regarding ED benefits.
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