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I am setting up a vangaurd submoa 300 winmag (moving to Alaska!) and I need advise.

I'm going to hunt everything and want to shot targets proficiently to 750yds.
I am either getting the mueller tacII (their flagship), or the 4-16x50 sport dot.
The tacII has the best quality and 90+" of adjustment.
The sport dot is not as good quality but has a teeny little red dot (might help shot placement on dark/rain soaked moose and evening grizz! The sport dot only has 50" of adjustment.
 
Will higher quality negate the red dot?
Do I need more than 50" to entertain/train myself?
 
My wife said buy both.....man she's a keeper, but I'm to cheap!
 
 
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I always choose higher quality over options.......but thats just me. The better brightness and resolution will also help you see dark objects better at distance.

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Focus I agree but look at these pics www.mizzomuleguns.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html
and what about vertical adjustments, your opinion?
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sorry about bad link, the second one works though, and a picture is worth..........wondering about.
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First one did have a nice showgirl link.....OK yes in their example it looks good......but......does it require batteries? How will they last in alaska cold? Will it effect your eye in low light by being too bright? Is there an adjustment? I guess I would want to see one and look thru it first, or like your wife suggested, buy them both and sell the one you don't like as much after examining. Or....keep em' both...

As an example, the bushnell firefly picture looks a whole lot different than actually looking thru a firefly equipped scope. Let your eye decide if possible. Talk to them, maybe you could buy both and after recieving and looking thru them, return the one new you don't like.....

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I'll try the buy them both send one back.......then if they both get kept my conscience will feel better Angel.

Thanks for the advise, what about magnification difference and adjustment range do you think those factors should wiegh in to my decision.
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anybody own, or at least seen through them both?

the guy that answered the phone at mueller said the tacII was higher grade.

I can't find mueller's at any of the local shops, I don't want to put out the extra cash buying two and trying to sell own (did I mention I'm cheap).

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Real nice to have that kind of adjustment range......avoids the need for a heavier 20 moa rail type mount for long range shooting.

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I just got off the phone with mueller (same guy on the phone as yesterday) he insisited the tacII more rugged/ higher quality/ better components.........won't send me two with the intention of sending one back.......crappo.
I bear hunt otherwise I would let go of the reddot stuff easier.
 
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Mil dot is nice for quick adjustments (assuming you spend the time to become proficient at it) but illumination is nice too.
The Sport dot will put you closer to the rifle and, at least on my 300WM, that ain't a good thing.  The tac has eye relief of 3.4, the sport dot, 3.25.

Neither has target turrets so be ready to get pissed off at all the adjusting (and cap losing.)
My recommendation would be to buy the 10X supersniper, much better glass, adjustments that will work better for you, and a significantly better piece of gear for not significantly more money.
And you will appreciate the extra eye relief.
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I'm expecting to leave the caps somewhere(I'll prolly forget where lol) but there not going hunting with me.

I feel the need carryat low power (3x or 4x) just incase a brownie wants to use me for a hackiesack or a chewietoy , and if a 100yd+ shot presents turn up the power.

A moose at twenty yards (with adrenaline)would make me pee at 10x
the eye relief could be a bloody issue even with the tacII rubber ring, which could vanish in the brush somewhere also.
They claim the turrets are better on the tacII.........which is probable what I think will happen
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I'll learn the mildots if I get the tacII, but I intend to laser anything over 250yds because Alaska game chest height varies sooo much I doubt i could be precise.
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I looked around and the mueller guy looks like he had a shadey past on forums! U guys think I got stars in my eyes with his scopes? U think they make junk?Fridge%20SmashI don't want to be the guy under the fridge on this one. I would buy a bushnell 4200 6x24 tactical, only 45 inch adjustment though.
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The Bushnell is a good scope - and has a 100% money-back, "no questions asked" guaranty for the first year.  On a 20 or 30MOA base, you'll get out to 750 and beyond.

I would also look at the Millett Tactical 4-16.  You can consider the Falcon Menace, but with only 3" of eye relief, that's a little too close for a 300WM.

I don't know anything about Mueller, and if you can't find a mountain of good things about them online, I'd avoid it.

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http://www.swfa.com/pc-11722-1395-millett-4-16x50-tactical-30mm-riflescope.aspx


This would be a good option.  No caps to lose, range you want, elevation works, many say it is a damn good scope for the money.
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Could you explain the 20-30 moa base, I don't know how that works?Whacker Thanks for your help thus far!

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Go with the Mueller Tac II.  I own several Muellers and the Tac II is made in Japan, while the others are made in China.  The Tac II is made to withstand the recoil of your 300 win. mag. with the mildot ranging system, should allow you to make those long shots.  Good price.  I think you will be happy with this scope.  I spoke to the owner of Mueller and he had a return on one of the sport dots used on a 300 Wby., just one and therefore until the problem was sorted out, he could not recommend that scope on rifles of that power.  By the way, the Tac II should have plenty of elevation adjustment to avoid the need for a 20 or 30 moa rail, which basically raises your scope by that amount to allow shooting long distances without running out of elevation adjustment in your scope.

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I haven't known dolphin to give too much bad advice.  If he says the Mueller is OK, it is probably OK.

A 20MOA base cants the scope down so that additional elevation is available for dope change.  Since half your usable elevation adjustment will never be used, a canted base lets you have that adjustment back for longer-range shooting.
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Thank you gentlemen!Super I'll buy a tacII and let you know what happens when i mount up.NO2. I can't wait to ride the 180grn express!
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