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This will be my first optic ever. It's not just a optic to use but to learn and grow from.
Here is my story....
6 months back I completed my first rifle build. Until that point I have never owned a rifle and had very little experience. I spent roughly 6 months picking apart forums,threads, articles and reviews. I concluded I wanted to build my lower myself, which I did and selected an upper based on my budget to create a DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) style rifle.
But I failed to look into the optics side which I'm now doing... Shocked

My Rifle Overview:
Lower-
Mega forged lower receiver
CMMG LPK (swapped out fire control group)
RRA 2 Stage National Match Trigger/Hammer Set
Superior Shooting Systems National Match Spring Set
KNS Anti Roll Pin Set
Primary Weapons Systems Enhanced Buffer Tube
Standard Mil-Spec Buffer Spring
Spikes T2 Heavy Buffer
MagPul MOE Grip and Stock (with .70 Butt Pad)

Upper- (BCM Upper Receiver Group)
BCM 16" SS410 Barrel (with A2 FSP)
1/8 twist
National Match (USMC SAMR) Chambering
Troy 9" Extreme rail
Rainier Arms XTC Compensator/Flash Hider
BCM/JTR BCG
BCM Gunfighter Charging Handle
Troy DOA Flip Up Rear Sight
MagPul AFG (probably swapping to Bi-pod)

Now I would like to add optics. Which I have even less experience with. After picking thru several threads on the over all aspects and workings of a scope/optics. I then moved onto the ones pertaining to matching a scope to the rifle and the distances I would be shooting.
Ideally I would like to shoot effectively out to 600 yards. Realistically most of my shooting, range facility limited, will be out to 300 yards on a regular basis. I would like a scope that would not only allow me to shoot nice groups at 300 yards but would also easily transition to and engage multiple targets. I'm honestly not sure how realistic these goals are based on my budget but I would like your help finding the closest optic that would allow me maximize my rifles ability while commingling my goals and stay with in my budget. I would like ot stick with in a budget $300-400, after doing some serious reading,I'm willing to almost double it, now to $600ish, if it's neccesary. My budget does not include my mount, that has it's own budget.
I may be trying to bite off more then I can chew at first. I'm willing to comprimise if need be. My first thought is to learn how to properly use an optic period. I would preffer a simple "quality" optic over a fancier cheaper optic with mind set of learning and growing as a shooter.
I'm open to any suggestions on where to begin or what to begin with?
I have accumulated a list optics that seem to fall with in the suggested guidelines of rifle and shooting distances, based on these stickies.( http://www.shootingvoodoo.com/index.php/articles/practical_optics_selection/ and http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1938091#Post193 8091 )
I'm always open to options and suggestions this is about learning for me.
Optics list: (created from SWFA site)
Leatherwood 1-4x24 CMR Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope Kit http://swfa.com/Leatherwood-1-4x24-CMR-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-Kit-P47565.aspx
Leupold 3-9x40 Mark AR Riflescope http://swfa.com/Leupold-3-9x40-Mark-AR-Riflescope-P40553.aspx
Millett 1-4x24 DMS Tactical 30mm Riflescope http://swfa.com/Millett-1-4x24-DMS-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P48504.aspx
Nikon 1-4x20 M223 Riflescope Kit http://swfa.com/Nikon-1-4x20-M223-Riflescope-Kit-P47976.aspx
Vortex 1-4x24 Viper PST 30mm Rifle Scope http://swfa.com/Vortex-1-4x24-Viper-PST-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44570.aspx
Vortex 1-4x24 Viper HS 30mm Rifle Scope http://swfa.com/Vortex-1-4x24-Viper-HS-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P48290.aspx
SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P41044.aspx
Weaver 1-5x24 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope http://swfa.com/Weaver-1-5x24-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P49447.aspx
Leupold 1.5-5x20 Mark 4 MR/T Riflescope http://swfa.com/Leupold-15-5x20-Mark-4-MRT-Riflescope-P3308.aspx
Leupold 2-7x33 VX-R 30mm Riflescope http://swfa.com/Leupold-2-7x33-VX-R-30m ... 48035.aspx
Leupold 3-9x40 VX-R 30mm Riflescope http://swfa.com/Leupold-3-9x40-VX-R-30m ... 48037.aspx
Hawke 4.5-14x42 Sidewinder Tactical 30mm Riflescope http://swfa.com/Hawke-45-14x42-Sidewind ... 44553.aspx
Hawke 1.5-6x44 Eclipse 30mm Riflescope http://swfa.com/Hawke-15-6x44-Eclipse-3 ... 41112.aspx
Nikon 2-8x32 M223 Riflescope http://swfa.com/Nikon-2-8x32-M223-Rifle ... 45661.aspx
Burris 1-4x24 Fullfield TAC 30 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope http://swfa.com/Burris-1-4x24-Fullfield ... 48171.aspx
GSRC 1-4x http://www.grscinc.com/CRS.html

Right now I'm just accumulating a list then I'll begin sorting and dropping until i short it down. Then do some extensive research to make a final pick or atleast narrow it to two or three and go from there... 
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Welcome to the OT!
 
SWFA now has a great deal on the thier SS 3-9,it's called Kit # 6 for $599.95 & it includes your mount,sun shade,ard & Butler Creek caps.This is a fantastic scope,I'm sure if you do some reading through the optics talk you will see 100% favorable reviews.This scope is all you will ever need & that includes shooting out to 600 yrds.Also you get the best CS around & the scope is made like a tank.They also offer a full money back garrenty[as long as you don't mar the product].
 
D'ont let this special get past you.I don't work for SWFA,I'm just passing on to you some good info as a very satisfied customer. 
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Based upon your stated requirements and description of your firearm, I would certainly give the SS3-9 the highest priority look.  You mentioned a number of scopes that I like, but personally, I have great confidence in the 3-9.  I'm not a fan of 3-9 scopes, as a whole, but I am a fan of the SS 3-9.
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Welcome to the OT! And what a great first post. You've really done some research, did a nice job of describing your rifle and, most importantly, stated what your shooting goals are and your budget. For what you stated is the majority of your likely shooting, the SS 3-9 is the best within that price range and a good match for the caliber (i.e. it's not an ideal 1000-yard scope but gtg out to 600).
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I would go with the 3-9 SS of the ones mentioned. Get the kit. Great scope and a great deal in the kit.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/15/2011 at 23:13
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Thanks everyone!
I always do my home work and try to explain in as much detail as possible what I'm trying or want to do. If I had originally nailed down EXACTLY what I was building to begin with I would have put alot of research into what optic I wanted or need to use. That coupled with not realizing how bad my eyes are until after going out and shooting left me neglecting my optics research...
Funny thing is from the start I picked the SS 3-9x42 as a solid quality optic which I didn't  feel would be difficult to use and a great learning tool. But I knew very little about what magnification I needed and type of optic to get in order to achieve my goals. So I went thru and just started reading, reviewing and putting together alot of options to pick thru.
I'm still going to continue to look into a few of the others but as it stands the SS 3-9x42 is my front runner.  I'm going to rule out the 1-4x scopes. There just not going to give me enough magnification in my opinion. Even the 2-(?)x optics seem to come up short for the distance mark and controlled shooting i'd like to do. So I'm thinking a 3-9X is definately the area of optic I want. But hey I'm no expert or even a novice at this point... So I'm still very open to suggestions. Feel free to post links to reviews and information on any optic you think will fill the bill.
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Nice build!

Get the SS 3-9x42.  It will comfortably take you to the practical limit of the cartridge (and beyond).

At a later point, if you decide to expand on the CQB options, you can always add a miniature red dot to it if you are so inclined.

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SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P41044.aspx
This one!
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I have owned a SWFA  SS 3-9 x 42 for over a year on a Remington 700 .308 and I am in Love with it.  You cannot do wrong by choosing it at any cost and the best part is it's damn cheap for what it really is.
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For a scope that fits the discription of what you are looking for, I too would have to say the 3-9x42 SS best fits your needs.
I chose the same scope for almost the same needs as you. The kit deal wasn't available at the time, and my mount choice came up short of expectations, but I am familiar with the Bobro mount in the kit, and it is a quality mount that would have served me better.
Get the kit. It is money well spent, and you can't beat SWFA's C.S..
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Thanks for all the replies guys!
I actually recieved a Leupold Mark AR 3-9x40mm (Mil-Dot) for Christmas and it's working out really well with my set up. I added a Modpod (bipod) from Vltor and a custom muzzle brake also. Once I figure out what load work best in my rifle I'll have Leupold set up a custom dial for BDC and I should be good to go from there. I really would have liked to have tried the SWFA SS 3-9x42mm but since someone else was flipping the bill I wasn't complaining... Bandito  
I've got  several more builds set up for the future maybe I'll try it on one of them or if my Leupy dies on me. 
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Just a note to those of you who dont use ARD's much (Kill Flash - anti reflection device) If you find that the ARD darkens the image more than is acceptable you can cut a small horizontal rectangle out of the middle of the ARD approximately  1/6 of the total area, and it will be brighter but still retain most of its ability to prevent reflection. Best done gently with a Dremell tool. 
SWFA SS Kill-Flash SWFA SS Kill-Flash
Stock # - TSSARD
Anti-Reflection Device
$39.95 
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Just a note to those of you who dont use ARD's much (Kill Flash - anti reflection device) If you find that the ARD darkens the image more than is acceptable you can cut a small horizontal rectangle out of the middle of the ARD approximately  1/6 of the total area, and it will be brighter but still retain most of its ability to prevent reflection. Best done gently with a Dremell tool. 
SWFA SS Kill-Flash SWFA SS Kill-Flash
Stock # - TSSARD
Anti-Reflection Device
$39.95 
Have you done this Wes?  Pictures?
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