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Hello!

 

I am new to the Forums here but I have owned, shot, and drooled over guns for 30 years.

 

I have a question.  I have ruined a couple of relativly cheap scopes ($130) to $150 with my 1895G in 45-70.

I generally use this gun for hog hunting here in Texas where we can shoot ones in the 300# range.

 

I am considering a 2x dot type sight for this gun.  I usually have a 3x9 scope and I do not like the irons nor the Williams D5.  Shots under 100 yards are common with most under 50 yards.

 

Does anyone have a recommendation?

 

Will it's rings fit the weaver rail I already have installed?

 

Thanks to all and I have been a lurker too long!

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For this rifle the best scope I can think of is Burris Signature Safari 1.75-5x32.  You can get it with either illuminated or non-illuminated taper plex reticle that wourks really well for fast target acquisition.

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Bushnell 4200 1.5 to 6x

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Go wiht Koshkin.  I've used the Signature Safari on my 45-70 lever gun for a good while, shooting very heavy loads (405gr cast at about 1900fps).  The 1.75-6 is ideal for this.

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Sometimes less is more - simpler is better. A fixed power scope will obviously not need the moving parts of a variable power scope.Therefore less to break. My suggestion is a 1x or 2x fixed power. I have a 1x Burris Short Mag on my 45-70 encore pistol and it has held up quite well.   As for the dot type scopes if you go that route stay with Aimpoint. I could elaborate but sumply put if you want the red dot to mark the point where the bullet will strike rather than be a random bouncing ball - stay with Aimpoint.  And the Signature Sarari mentioned is a fine scope, one of few variables that will handle the recoil.
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Thanks for all the suggestions!

I will check out all of them.

 

I love doing this kind of research and I want to get it right this time and not waste my money again.

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(exit pupil is 10 mm thats very bright) Might give this one a look also while you are at it.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

6500 Nikon 4x40 Monarch UCC Riflescope                           Nikon 4x40 Monarch UCC Riflescope
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(exit pupil is 10 mm thats very bright) Might give this one a look also while you are at it.


While this is a nice scope, that 10mm exit pupil really does not give you anything sinc eyour eye pupil can not dilate beyond 7mm if you are pretty young, and less than that if you are over 40.

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Snow: Welcome to the forums

 

I have a .45/70 guide gun that I run pretty hot with my normal load being a 405gr at 2000 fps.  It rocks pretty goood in that size of gun.  I use the gun as a bear and wild hog gun and its used in high timber areas were the longer shots are out at a 100 yards most much closer. 

So if I do go with a scope I want something with the lowest possible power, to me anything higher than 3X is just too much in brush and for fast short shots.  I did replace the horrible factory sights with an XS Ghost ring sight in the back and a Brockman generation III wuinged front sight.  This combo seems to work fine for up close work.

 

Long story short if I do buy a scope for it after doing a great deal reading on the internet I would go with the Burris Signature Safari.  It goes pretty low in magnification and it is designed to handle the mule kick of a hot .45/70 and has a fair amount of eye relief which helps you handle the recoil without wearing the scope.

 

Once again welcome to the forums and happy shooting...ps  let us know what you get and how it works out.

 

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OK Koshkin  your right - you wont get anything you can use with 10mm over the 7mm but at least it has 7mm+ of bright clear optics at a pretty attractive price $239.95  which might be a reasonable alternative to the $346 to $443 Signature Safari which I agree is a great choice.   I'm just trying to offer an optional choice that would be workable for a gun that is typically used under 150 yds.  The fixed 6x42 with its 7mm exit pupil is a possible also. I just thought that that simple little 4x with no moving parts might be the one to go on working forever. The oldest scope I have is a fixed power 4x leupold and it has been on all kinds of stuff over the years, it's been to hell and back on multiple occasions and still works fine.

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The nikon monarch 2-7x32 would work well if you are looking to save a few bucks. 
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If you want to save a few bucks more look at the Weaver V3, a very sturdy scope for the price,
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I have a few fixed 4X scopes on big game guns and they work fine, aren't complicated and are compact.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-7146-291-new-ior-4x32-hunting-rifle-s cope.aspx

You can't go wrong with one of the great 4X standbys

http://www.swfa.com/pc-3613-94-leupold-4x33-fx-ii-riflescope .aspx

Both are similar in size and look good on a lever gun. Koshkin likes IOR and he might have seen both of these side by side. My 45-70 is a Ruger #1 and it can really kick with hand loads. I'm using an older 4X FF Burris, which is not made anymore. Too bad because the optics are crystal clear.  For the Marlin, don't skimp on optical quality and smaller is better, as these guns can kick quite hard with heavy loads.

 

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What a hard hitting and fun gun. I have a 1895 SS and feed it Buffalo Bore's hot 350 gr and 405 gr fodder regularily. It wears a 4200 Elite 1.5-6, and it has proven a perfect match . The rainguard has even proven itself on a nasty day during a bear hunt in Canada. No worries about it fogging up at the moment of truth during a rain shower on a humid June day.I highly recommend it ( along with a sturdy mount ).

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I'm new to the forum and I'm coming in on this post kinda late but the topic is right so maybe you experienced guys are still within ear shot.  I too have a Marlin 1895 45-70 that has up till now worn a Marbles peep.  I'm wanting to set it up to be my one (deer pig) gun.  I hunt primarily in dark hardwoods with shots 50-120 yds in lousy light, and some open field areas that can offer 200+ yard shots.  I've been looking at the Burris 1.75 Safari whose praises have been sung above and its fatter brother the 30mm tubed 1.5-6 Euro Diamond.  I really want the new illuminated reticle, and for the rainbow trajectory (13.8" at 200 yards 45-70) I'd also like to have the ballistic plex.  Both these scopes are offered with illuminated reticles but Burris says they can't/won't put the illuminated ballistic plex in either of these 2 scopes.  they will however put the non-illuminated ballistic plex in either.   Thoughts?  would you take the illuminated cross hair, or go for the non-illuminated ballistic plex?

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Regarding illuminated or not, I'll take a heavy plex for hunting any day.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Regarding illuminated or not, I'll take a heavy plex for hunting any day.

 

me too

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1-4 Leupold Shotgun model. Heavy duplex and recoil proof. Also light and mounts low.
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Originally posted by rootmanslim rootmanslim wrote:

1-4 Leupold Shotgun model. Heavy duplex and recoil proof. Also light and mounts low.

 

i'd buy that one if it were me!!!

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I did pretty good with the Marbles peep up to 100 and once there was enough light to see thru the aperature.  I'm looking to go to the scope to add hunting time at the beginning and end of the day and for the dark shadow shots that the peep was useless for.  These new illuminated reticles seem like the cats meow for that problem.  has anyone tried them?   they revert to just black when switched off so you can make the choice in the field.

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one more thing that can break
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

one more thing that can break

This is true, also. What I have found is that the heavy plex works great at last light in the cedars. My illuminated scope sits in a box. I don't like adjusting the rheostat for conditions.

By the way, I just took delivery from SWFA on a 2-7 Monarch and I think that would be an excellent choice.



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if you have to use a candle then pull the trigger, they are cheaper and more reliable than a lighted reticle!!
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good point.  Burris as a new all digital illumination control for the illumination that is supposed to replace the analog switch starting about May 07.  Thats on the Euro series only.  I was going to wait for that IF I go for the euro.  I guess my last big trip I missed shots on maybe 9 nice deer due to low light so I want to NOT have that complaint next season and I want to have a scope that can take the 47-70, and has the best low light performance and (a click against the shotgun scopes) has a bit of top end magnification to allow 200 yard shots.
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if it was me i would decide which feature would be most likely to help me kill the most animals, how many deer will you get shots at 200 as opposed to inside of 50 yards with less light, think about what you will be more likely to be faced with.
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