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Good Afternoon,
 
I am new to the OTF, but not a new reader Big Smile. I value honest opinions from my fellow shooters and this is the best place around to get them!
 
I am looking for feedback to help me choose a quality scope that I will not be disappointed with.
 
I've been a long time hunter/shooter. However, I just recently purchased an AR and needless to say.. I've waited way too long!! Big Grin
 
So I want to fit my new RRA Elite Comp with a scope that I can use at my indoor range during the winter months as well as on my outdoor range in the summer. So ranges will vary from 10 yards out to 300 yards. I also plan to use this set up for Coyotes if the opportunity ever presents itself... I've done a lot of research on Leupold and Zeiss optics and have come to a cross-roads where I need to choose only one to compliment my RRA but just can't seem to do it on my own Loco...
 
I've heard/read lots of great reviews concerning Zeiss' Conquest 3x9x40mm but not much on the Leupold Mark-AR in 3x9x40mm. I have personally never owned either brand, so I am not biased when it comes to the "name-game." I am looking for quality optics that are clear, rugged and  dependable. I was debating between a scope and an Eotech for weeks, but I just can't get over not having any magnification as with the Eotech. I have shot a buddy's AR fitted with the EOtech and 3x magnifier, it's ok, but IMO not worth the high price tag for the set-up.
 
So has anyone had an opportunity to play with the Mark-AR?
 
Also on a side but related note, I've been looking at the PEPR mount to mount either the Mark-AR or the Zeiss. Do any of you have opinions on this mount? Seems like a rugged and dependable design, but how does this mount contribute/affect the height and eye relief of the scopes mounted on it? 
 
Thanks in advance for your input.
 
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The zeiss would prob have the better glass. I think you can get the turrets on the Mark AR that are preset for 223.. either 55 grain or 62. Not for sure.The mark AR is designed to be a little lighter for easier handling. 
PEPER mount is a good mount. It will give a perfect height. It allows you to mount it forward more for better eye relief.
For the price of an EOtech and 3x you could have a quality scope.
What would be you price range?
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how much do you want to spend??
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SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical Riflescope Mil-Dot SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical Riflescope
Stock # - SS39X42
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  • First Focal Plane Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 0.1 MRAD
$599.95
Trijicon 1-4x24 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope Green Triangle Trijicon 1-4x24 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - TR24G
  • Matte
  • Green Triangle
  • 30mm
$779.95
Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - TR232G
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot
  • 30mm
  • Free Sun Shade w/ Purchase
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Trijicon 1.5x16 Compact Acog Rifle Scope Amber Triangle Trijicon 1.5x16 Compact Acog Rifle Scope
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  • Free Lens Cleaning Pen w/ Purchase
$909.95
How do you feel about the size of the scope?  I have been happier with a TA442 in a La Rue RCO mount than I have pretty much any other choice but I use it more as an entry type rifle but I find that working off the point of the triangle that it is sub MOA at 300 yds.  I would consider all of the above scopes in addition to the Conquest you mentioned.  I think the FX3 6x42 Leupolds offere a good traditional choice as well.  There are good reasons to use an illuminated optic with an coyote rifle in low light.  Also I tend to like scopes with tactical knobs to dial in correction for wind and bullet drop at longer range and the Super Sniper 3-9 is ideal at a very reasonable price.  Any scope I put on an AR I would want La Rue mounts for or GG&G mounts  or Badger Ordnance if no quick release was desired.

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the responses...

So I'm looking to spend no more than $500 for this set of optics. I'm already into this Black Rifle way more than I originally planned Cool... So both of these optics fall within that range...

I did notice the Mark-AR is 2.5 Oz lighter, with everything I'm putting on this rifle, every oz counts lol... But weight aside, what are features of either (aside from .223 ballistic Turrets) that I may be missing? I believe the Zeiss has 1/4 MOA while the Mark-AR has 1/2 MOA adjustments. Don't know how much of a deal that is, if I can shoot sub MOA groups I'll be Big Grin... Both scopes are backfilled and multi-coated, but in the end which one comes out ahead in quality, performance and clarity??

What about customer service between Leupold and Zeiss? In the unlikely event either optics need to be returned, does one company treat their customers better than the other?

Thanks again guys...

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at the $500 total range I would use the 6x SS and a La Rue mount.
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the SS 6x would be awesome. The SS series are beastly scopes, You def get way more than what you pay for. Although the glass is not going to be as good as the Ziess. But you get mildot, great knobs, and parallax adjustment.

The ss3-9 would prob be the overeall best choice. But since you on a tight budget. Id go with the SS6.
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Hi STork23,

Regarding the 6x, I think that would be a bit too much power at the closer ranges don't you agree? As previously mentioned, I do go to an indoor range quite often and I most certainly will be bringing my AR for the ride, so I'd like to be able to acquire the target at the shorter ranges...

I did take a look at the SS3-9, not a bad looking scope. A Bit on the heavy side in comparison to the Mark-AR and Zeiss. This scope is made from Aluminum as the other two, how come it weighs ~60% more?? And yes, just a tad over what I wanted to pay. Not enough to break the deal, but I'd like to know why you'd choose this one over the Leupold or Zeiss?

Thanks.
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Welcome to the forums,
The 3-9 has better glass than regular 6x. From what I have heard it prob better glass than the Mark AR or 3-9 conquest. But someone else will have to confirm that. It has .1 mil adjustments. Which make adjustments easy since they match the reticle. This scope is heavy but it is built to withstand  ALOT. 50 cal rated, one guy on her ran his over with his truck, and it still functioned. The knobs are over sized and very easy to grip and adjust w/ or w/o gloves. The marks are easy to read. And once you zero the rifle you can adjust the knobs back to zero so. They are built solid and repeatable. 3-9 also has first focal plane mildot. For the money the SS series are very hard to beat.
If you dont want to crank knobs. and want lighter. Then the ziess would be my choice. But I think that the extra weight and money would be well worth it for the SS3-9. 
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The SS 3-9 ffp is in a totally different league than any of the scopes mentioned, skip coffee or something for a month and get it. Forget about the wt. difference the wt. difference is more in your loaded vs unloaded magazine variance.
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I'd say dale was right on this.  The 3-9 SS is an awesome scope. I got a chance to look through one and play with it a bit this weekend.  Will be putting rounds down range with it next weekend but man is it great glass.  If you want to be in the best and most usable class, get the 3-9 SS and don't look back.
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