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I have a new Mark 4 M3 3.5X10X40 Model #51850. I purchased  one month ago using Leupolds advertised specification to make my final slection.Upon inital inspection I could only clock 56 MOA (clicks) verses th advertised 65 MOA of elevation. To make a long story short I called them and they at first confirmed it should be getting 65 MOA and not 56 MOA and had me send it to them via UPS Prepaid delivery so they could inspect and repair the scope. I called about a week later and they said the scope was fine and was on its way back. I asked them about the missing 9 clicks and  was now told  56 MOA was correct for the M3 with the BDC turrets? Now I am really confused and concerned to know (is the scope correct?) Can anyone else with a M3 3.5X10X40 Mark 4 confirm  if their scope has the specified 65 MOA or the Un Specified 56 MOA ?  Is  this a normal discrepincy in specified verses actual MOA for a leupold? All three of my other Leupolds are precisely on as far as specified verses actual MOA adjustment. Any information comments advise would be apreicated.
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This sounds rather fishy. The MOA on all the Mk4 scopes should be the same. The M3 should merely dial bigger clicks.
 
I cannot help you on this one, other then to support you in that the specs as advertised should be the specs.


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Thanks 8shots, I am confused that they would send it back in  the condition it left considering they wanted it sent back in the first place saying it should have 65 MOA . When it gets here I will confirm the 56 Moa and then give them a call. I really only want to know if the scope is correct or not and by using there published data it 9 clicks short of being there. I will post an update  when it returns
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Do not accept it without what is advertised, if they say its 56, then tell them to show you where it tells that that configuration only gets 56 vs every other ones 65.  Send it back again if you have to and get a new replacement not the same scope "fixed" 
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Thanks for the advice SVT_Tactical. The scope should arrive today and after confirming that the elevation turret still only allows 56 MOA adjustment I will call them. I think perhaps that the scope has fallen through the cracks on its return trip to Leupold and the right hand doesnt know what the left is doing. I can after exhaustive searching the internet,leupold etc etc  find nowhere any mention of elevation adjustment less than the specified 65 MOA on the Model #51850. What concerns me most is I don't know anything and have been given no explanation or reference concerning where my 9 MOA have gone? When I first contacted them Leupold said yes it should have 65 MOA and sent a UPS prepaid to fetch it to them and  I felt that "good they'll fix it and all will be fine" but now with no other explanation than its on its way home having been told on the phone  "Its fine and the 56 MOA is the correct specification. I feel aprehenseive and skeptical  and I wonder if anyone there actually turned the elevation turret to confirm my findings. I used leupolds specifications to study and confirm my purchase of this scope and this one dosent match their specifecation. Now their returning a scope that has no record, specification or reference to me saying its fine. Loco I will update this thread later on today if the scope arrives. Once again thanks for the response.
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have you mounted it or used it at all yet?
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Sorry about the delay SVT  The answer is no I haven't done anything with the scope but take it out of the box check it for specification and call leupold
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Im not sure if this will help. Ive dealt with Leupold in the past when they were building me a scope. I found its better to deal with the "Techs" then ANYONE in sales. Also when I found someone I was really comfortable talking with, that was the Tech I stayed with so things did not get screwed up as you are explaining happened.. If I mailed something I addressed it to that Tech and if I called on the phone I would not speak to anyone but that Tech, no one else... I do this in all business transactions in everything I do.. Alot less problems this way, even though Im always telling sales people NO I do not want you ,  I want to talk to this specific person.... Some people think Im a pain in there ass, I really do not care, Im not for everybody and I get sh*t doneBucky
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Dooderwampus,
 
I had a Mark 4 with the M3 turrets a while back and if memory serves me right you can only spin the turret a total 56 moa.  To get the other 9 you would have to loosen the set screws then zero it again.  I didn't have it for very long so can't be sure but will give you something to try.  Hope this helps.
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They've always been 56 moa elevation.
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Originally posted by Mike McDonald Mike McDonald wrote:

They've always been 56 moa elevation.
Thanks Mike.
 
The one moa per click is really coarse adjustment because one moa at 600 yds will be 6 inches so 6 inches per click. The main value of these is that it is impossible to get lost in the dial but for most shooting my prefrence would be a 1/10 mil click to match up with the mildot reticle its so much nicer to be able to adjust in the same measurement as the reticle.  Nightforce would be a better choice with more adjustment range.
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Well The first thing I want to do is thank you all for  helping to figure this SNAFU out. I didnt want to write untill I got to the bottem of the situation and now I  can say that Trebor and Mike are both correct. It appears that the scope got caught up in a Leupold wormhole and was returned to me  intact and correct after all.  In short the story goes like this. Customer buys scope and discovers the scope dosent meet published specification. Customer call's Manufacture and asks for Information/Explaination and Conformation. Manufacture  emeadiatly recalls scope to (inspect/repair defective/damaged?) merchandise. But upon arival at repair facility the scope is discovered to be fine and I am guessing the technicians were wondering (What the hell is this one doing here?) and promptly sent it back with a receipt saying "Returned as Received" . The customer (Me) is now really confused and calls to ask what happened here? and the whole process started over again.  And I am now guessing that when the scope arrived at the repair facility for the second time someone connected all the dots and solved the problem which ultimitly centered around incorrect published specifications  and an uninformed customer service representeve  reading the same specifications  inadvertantly comming to the same conclusion as I did. Ultimitly  I received a phone call from a leupold techinican who explained the missing 9 MOA and how to locate them if nessessary as Trebor explains. I also got an Email from customer service explaining that the published specifications are incorrect for this model and  are to  be updated/corrected in next years catalog. Well  to sum things up its been a "Long Strange Trip" but I want to take this opertunity to make sure that in spite of it I am  still a diehard fan of Leupold and consider them a top notch outfit. In a way what happened  confirms to me their commitment  to the customer and their warranty. When they concluded their was a problem whith my scope they without hesitation emailed me a UPS shipping tag ( Not Once butTwice!) and for that I figure the Trip was worth it.
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I think most of us have a Leupold or two that we like as they have a wide variety of products so it is always good to hear that they are making an effort to keep customers happy.

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