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today i got my latest edition of rifleshooter mag, and inside was a very well written article from one of my favorites. craig boddington was talking about the new magnums vs the old, and even though i really do favor the good old magnums he did make some points that i think both sides could understand. excellent article mr. boddington.

what he basically concluded was that while the new magnums may not out preform or out sell any of the tried and true old school magnums, the gun makers of today are making these new magnums more desirable to the public with what craig calls "packaging" shorter tubes lighter rifles, stuff that is apparently popular today. he did make mention that while ammo availabilty may never catch up or catch on at all in some areas, and that just because you handload doesnt mean you will be able to equal or surpass the factory offerings due to them using "secret" powders etc.. but he does admit that he likes some of the newbies and still prefers some of the oldies too.
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I wonder which short mags will survive...I would guess .300wsm will be one, I don't see 'room' for a .300wsm, .300RSAUM and a .300RCM (hope I didn't miss one or make a new one up). JMO
 
If you hand load it's not as big of a deal, but if you don't....
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to be honest with you i dont care for the remington offerings, in the short mags, there ultra mags on the other hand are excellent. the rcms i think will stick around, craig mentioned that while he hasnt latched onto any of the new .30 cal mags he is inamered by the .338rcm, close to the .338win in a shorter action and rifle.
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I'm with you on the Remingtons...I haven't looked at any of the Ruger stuff.  But I really like the little Ruger rifles. 
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ive held them in the store, and they are certainly a step up from the old mkII's thats for sure. i see that rcbs finally came out with dies for the rcms, now as soon as somebody comes up with brass and  some reloading data we may see it take off. kimber is also chambering rifles in the 300 and 338 rcms
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There are 2 .338 RUM's at a gun shop here, I think they are about $600-$650 each.  Both look new, with Swift 3-9s on 'em.  I was tempted.
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im not sure how long the swifts would handle the recoil, but what the hey they have a lifetime replacement warranty
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Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

I wonder which short mags will survive...I would guess .300wsm will be one, I don't see 'room' for a .300wsm, .300RSAUM and a .300RCM (hope I didn't miss one or make a new one up). JMO
 
If you hand load it's not as big of a deal, but if you don't....
 
.270 WSM will survive for sure. Local gun shop here can't even keep ammo in stock. Boxes and boxes of 140gr. Accubonds go out the door. I asked why they never have any when I stop there, and he keeps telling me that they keep selling out. I told him to order more boxes next time!
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

im not sure how long the swifts would handle the recoil, but what the hey they have a lifetime replacement warranty
 
I thought the same thing about the scopes...I was wrong, they are .375 RUMs...even worse on the Swifts.
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dogger has a .375 rum and he loves it. he weres a past magnum recoil pad to shoot it off the bench but he says its like shooting a slug out of a 12ga.

craig mentioned he enjoys the .270 win but he said he would way rather have a .270wsm for hunting sheep etc. and he said in fact he owns 2 .270wsm's. they are an excellent choice in areas where shots are long and frequent
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

I wonder which short mags will survive...I would guess .300wsm will be one, I don't see 'room' for a .300wsm, .300RSAUM and a .300RCM (hope I didn't miss one or make a new one up). JMO
 
If you hand load it's not as big of a deal, but if you don't....
 
.270 WSM will survive for sure. Local gun shop here can't even keep ammo in stock. Boxes and boxes of 140gr. Accubonds go out the door. I asked why they never have any when I stop there, and he keeps telling me that they keep selling out. I told him to order more boxes next time!
 
Yeah, the .270 wsm should be fine.  My concern is for the .300s.  I think the .25 WSSM might tank too, it's not easy to find a rifle chambered for it.
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i wont miss the .25wssm i had one and that little p.o.s pissed me off so bad, its the only rifle i ever owned that i couldnt make shoot worth a damn with hand loads, i know they are starting to make an appearance with the ar crowd.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

today i got my latest edition of rifleshooter mag, and inside was a very well written article from one of my favorites. craig boddington was talking about the new magnums vs the old, and even though i really do favor the good old magnums he did make some points that i think both sides could understand. excellent article mr. boddington.

what he basically concluded was that while the new magnums may not out preform or out sell any of the tried and true old school magnums, the gun makers of today are making these new magnums more desirable to the public with what craig calls "packaging" shorter tubes lighter rifles, stuff that is apparently popular today. he did make mention that while ammo availabilty may never catch up or catch on at all in some areas, and that just because you handload doesnt mean you will be able to equal or surpass the factory offerings due to them using "secret" powders etc.. but he does admit that he likes some of the newbies and still prefers some of the oldies too.
..............I`ll have to get that and read it!...Right up my alley!
 
Of the shorter mags, the one more likely to go bye-bye in the future will be the 300 RSAUM. Remington`s marketing program died on that one in lieu of their 300, 338 and 375 RUM`s.
 
Successful marketing and advertising is the key to anything new along with great products to back that up that marketing.
 
When it comes to teaming up, producing new product innovations in ammo and rifles, then marketing and advertising them, no one does it better than the team of Hornady and Ruger!
 
Because Hornady and Ruger are behind the RCM`s with their ammo and rifles, I see no reason for their eventual failure in the marketplace.
 
The 300 RCM is now being offered by Ruger in the 16.5" tubed compact. Because the 300 WSM was discontinued in the Frontier compacts for patent reasons 2 years ago, this rifle (like my 300 WSM Frontier), even lighter, offers considerable power from only a 35.5" OAL very handy and wonderful handling rifle. It may not quite reach the ballistics of the 300 WSM from the 16.5" barrel, but will be certainly close enough. I cannot stress enough how wonderful these little rifles are in the field.
 
If given the choice, compared to the 20" 300 RCM Hawkeye, I`d rather have the even shorter 16.5" tubed compact 300 RCM. Total overall velocity difference between the two will only be around 1.5% to 2.5% anyway. That`s nothing to be concerned with and won`t have any effect on stopping power or distance to the target.
 
Reloder 17, when I get my paws on that stuff,,,, will be my "TOP SECRET" powder! Can`t say for sure now, but based on what I`ve already chrony`d with the 180 gr SST`s and from what I`ve read about RL17, I`ll be aiming for 3000 fps from my 300 WSM`s 16.5" barrel. Success or not, will depend on when I see pressure signs, as each rifle as its own tolerance level for max loads and some rifles are faster bored than others which mine happens to be. But if I don`t reach 3000,,,,,no bigee,,,,,I already have 2917 fps in the can now with the 180 SST`s, but I`ll be happy with 2940 to 2999! Won`t make any difference on game anyway. I just love showing up to the range with my lil shorty and gettin the looks and questions as though it can`t shoot beyond 200 yards!!........Roll on Floor Laughing 
 
Oh yeah! RL17 is "top secret" all-right!!.....Cencored,,,,,,,Mouth Taped Shut
 
 
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i think craig was refering to other stuff like the new .370sako that came up with, essentially a 30-06 necked up to .366 but there isnt any way one could duplicate there factory numbers, stuff like that more than anything.
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I`ll just wait and see what RL 17 can produce. If I`m not mistaken though, the 300 WSM has more powder capacity than the 300 RCM?? Maybe using some RL17 in the 300 RCM can get the same specs as the RCM factory loadings? I wonder if Hornady`s secret stuff is RL17?
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the rcm is in between the wsm and the rsum in total capacity. hornady's secret stuff is there own creation, norma does this kind of thing also.
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I also like the .270 wsm, while I no longer own one, I'll probably add one again in the future.  The reason I like the 270wsm, is because it actually exceeds the original 270, while all of the other short mags are pretty much just duplicating the originals.
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I have the 243 wssm in a Browning and it is a great varmint rifle but the price of factory ammo makes it prohibitive for prairie dogs, sure works for coyotes though.
 
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I believe the 300/270 wsm will take center stage...the25wssm is crap?   should have been 25wsm
to surpass the 25-06 and take on the 257 weatherby...ie..25 pronghorn if you like 25s there it is cheaper than the Roy.  the 223wssm is equal to the 22-250/scrap that one too.


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  Yea,I had high hopes for the 25wssm. Seems there are ALOT of bad experiences like pyro's.
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  Yea,I had high hopes for the 25wssm. Seems there are ALOT of bad experiences like pyro's.


Yeh! and only winchester makes ammo for it, and if you look nobody else chambers for it.
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  Yep,it's history. I'll just stick with my .25-06.
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Those wssm`s casings look funny too. The neck diameter a little out of porportion with the casing diameter.
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they should have done a .264 wsm is what they should have don.

the problem with the 25wssm was that the shoulder was so steep and the neck was so short that they had to modify the follower and the ramp so that damn thing would even load up at all. steep geometry can be a pain in the ass in instances like that. it was an ok idea, but they would have been better served doing it in a wsm instead of the wssm, i know that jon sundra pleaded with winchester/browning to make the .25 in a wsm it made more sense. and he was right, the 25 was the first of the wssm's to be dropped.


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   Read a post somewhere that was saying  one of the top custom riflemakers(Charlie Sisk maybe?) would only use Winchesters CRPF action when building a rifle chambered for a WSM due to feeding problems. Got one in .300 WSM under the bed behind me. My friend's VERY recoil sensitive and can't handle it.
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