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Things seem to change so often; is there any way to keep track of which popular scopes are made by the Chicoms? Thanks...
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Good luck getting that from them.

Most people haven't yet noticed the "Made in the USA" sticker NOT on Leupold boxes.
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However, Leupold does state that the reborn Redfield scopes are made in Oregon right along side the Leupold scopes(I think).
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Originally posted by GaryO GaryO wrote:

Things seem to change so often; is there any way to keep track of which popular scopes are made by the Chicoms? Thanks...

Not easily.  However, if there is a particular model you are wondering about, someone might know.

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Most scopes are being made somewhere in Asia.I hate to think that the Leupold is made entirely in China.Some high end scopes are being made to there specs at a big savings in these factories.
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Originally posted by Randall45 Randall45 wrote:

I hate to think that the Leupold is made entirely in China.
 
They aren't.  Every metal and mechanical component (Tube, erector ass, turrets) is made in Oregon.  Their lenses aren't.  They get their glass from various sources in Asia, which may or may not include China.  They aren't forthcoming about where they get it, only to say that it comes from multiple Asian sources.  This is nothing new.  There are very few consumer items made entirely in the US anymore.  Even stuff that says "made in USA" on the product usually has at least some components made elsewhere (i.e. screws, o-rings, etc.).
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Ouch  I think I got a made in china ---  screw ---- one time.    StareShocked
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  There are very few consumer items made entirely in the US anymore.  Even stuff that says "made in USA" on the product usually has at least some components made elsewhere (i.e. screws, o-rings, etc.).
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This holds true for German products, also. It is not possible to know where every component comes from.
Could you imagine a Swarovski factory that produced the metal pieces, rubber o-rings and eye- cups, chemical coatings, and even the nitrogen gas that goes in to their products? 
Sounds dumb to mention all this, but there are those out there that believe all these items are produced by the same company,and even same location.


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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Ouch  I think I got a made in china ---  screw ---- one time.    StareShocked
Counter-clockwise to tighten??
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Ouch  I think I got a made in china ---  screw ---- one time.    StareShocked
Counter-clockwise to tighten??
 
Not sure it fell out of my CRKT pocket knife before I knew there was an issue with the way they attached the blade to the handle.  Now I have half a screw so the other half is always loose.  What do you do with a knife with a screw looseWhatever.  I think I got screwed by the chinese, and it looked like such a good knife,  didnt last two month before it fell apart.  Bet their scopes look good up untill you have them a month.Shocked
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You can bet on it.  WE (Black & decker--Dewalt Power tools) have all our hand tools
made to our specs in China and Taiwan.  Same for the Chargers and Battery pack modules.  The Chinese are great at copying but their culture inhibits free thought so innovation is few and far between there.  WE are extremely diligent in specifying and inspecting our product.
AS long as you your looking they are your best friend and do hi quality work.  As soon as you turn your back.... they have a tendency to start cutting corners to save money and reduce production time.  At first this was a real battle cause they are co-operative to your face but not so much behind your back.  We finally won the war by rejecting several hundred and sometimes thousands of sub-standard  product refusing to bear any cost ourselves.  That wised them up.  Having the clout helps.   They make about 1.5 million Dewalt chargers annually so we have the clout!  They were our sole source and tested us on this.  Now they aren't a sole source and it rocked their world! They used to make 2 million chargers a year.  Loosing 25% of that product got their attention.
 
Even now we catch them doing stuff like changing the test parameters on the end of line tester to improve 1st time yields.  Seems this is how the plant supervisors are graded
for performance and raises.
 
So yes I would be suspicious of everything made in china that is not 100% USA inspected with a fine tooth comb!


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bud i hate to be a dick to you, but dewalts batteries suck!!!! they include the charger and  two batteries with a tool and the batteries last a year and then they are junk and then you gotta decide do i wanna spend $100 for new batteries or do i wanna spend $150 and get a new tool charger and two new batteries sorry.

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I have a 12V Dewalt my wife purchased for me one year for my birthday, before we left Kalifornia.  We left Kali in 1998.  Two years ago, the batteries started failing, I replaced one, but both will hold a charge if only for a little while.  I have a much newer 18 V Dewalt now and my wife has a 12V and they have been outstanding.  I've found that the batteries last better if you recharge and rotate them regularly...
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we use ours every day at work, my boss finally decided to try another brand. so far so go it made it through this last construction season without a hitch.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Ouch  I think I got a made in china ---  screw ---- one time.    StareShocked
 
When I first read this post, something entirely different came to mind.  LOL :)
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

bud i hate to be a dick to you, but dewalts batteries suck!!!! they include the charger and  two batteries with a tool and the batteries last a year and then they are junk and then you gotta decide do i wanna spend $100 for new batteries or do i wanna spend $150 and get a new tool charger and two new batteries sorry.

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Slow down a tad. First are you talking NiCad or Lithium batteries.  Secondly where are you storing them during your winters?  No battery likes extreme cold.  Thirdly all the battery cells are made in Japan not China.  Due to heavy metals (Cadmium) our suppliers (Sony and Sanyo) have been pushing for several years to stop making NiCads.  Europe won't allow them , they use Nickle metal Hydride.  NiCad Cells are a completely mature product, no more development.  Sony stopped supplying us 2 years ago.  Sanyo is ramping down as the equipment dies so does their capacity.  Last year the high end cell we use were discontinued by Sanyo.  The replacement cells CP2500 are highest grade consumer cells available.
How are you using them?  Are you working the packs hard?  Cells are also sensitive to heat.  Overheating will shorten the life of any cell while extreme cold makes them go inert.
 
Now thet good news!  Since 2004 Dewalt tools have carried a 3 year warranty.  I believe the pack carry a two year warranty.  Dewalt has always been sensitive to pack and charger
complaints and issues cause of poosible liability issues.  If you have pack that died in one year, look on line www.dewalt.com and find nearest service center.  If none are convenient then call 1-800 Dewalt.  Your will also assuredly get your packs replaced for free!
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i hate to jack this thread more. we had nicad batteries in 12v and 18v tools, drills saws all type saws and circular saws. we use them to cut pipe and drill holes in plastic septic parts, so they dont abused but the work isnt easy either. we store our electrical tools inside our heated shop during the winter. we got to the point where our boss would go buy 4 new batteries every spring and by fall they would last about 10 min. on a full charge.
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How about that Toyota recall, and what about global warming?


I'll check back in on this thread in a few days and see where it has wandered to.

Carry on.
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Made in China covers a broad area, but maybe should move to "almost a... g..." if it's not scopes...
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i hate to jack this thread more. we had nicad batteries in 12v and 18v tools, drills saws all type saws and circular saws. we use them to cut pipe and drill holes in plastic septic parts, so they dont abused but the work isnt easy either. we store our electrical tools inside our heated shop during the winter. we got to the point where our boss would go buy 4 new batteries every spring and by fall they would last about 10 min. on a full charge.
No I want to hear this stuff.
 
The recip and circular saws are the two worst tools on batteries.  The recip (sawsall) vibrates the crap out of the batteries and weaken the battery strap welds.  The circular is and largest current drain!  I never like the 18V circular saw, felt it is wimpy!  The 36V circular kicks ass.  However the only tools I like in the 36V line are The Circular saw and the 325FtLB impact gun.  The gun is great for pulling lug nuts in the middle of nowhere!  I am going to venture to say that the short battery life is probably due to heating issues.  Were the pack noticeably warm or hot when they came out of the tool?
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Yeah you guys are right... Didn't pay attemtion to where it was posted just replied,  go figure!
 
It not like THAT hasn't happened before! Embarrased
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the drill got the most use, we bought a wacker concrete saw and put a fiber blade on it for cutting pipe.

no the battery packs werent hot.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

the drill got the most use, we bought a wacker concrete saw and put a fiber blade on it for cutting pipe.

no the battery packs weren't hot.
Was the Drill a 12V model?  If so that would explain the short run time.
the 12v platform when it first came out was made with top-line cells.  It was quick found
to be wanting in a commercial environment for the very reason your complaining about.
The motors were heavy duty motors to be able to perform but the packs could not supply the required current levels.  14.4 and 18V tools quickly replaced the 12V platform and no new development was done on those packs.  Believe it or not the average Dewalt cordless drill draws between 10 and 60 amps.  If the drill were a 14.4 or better yet an 18V you should have gotten much more use per charge.
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we had a 12v, and then switched to all 18v tools so we didnt have to carry around two different batteries. we jumped to a 24v drill now and thats the only electric tool we use now.
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Originally posted by HuntMaster HuntMaster wrote:

  There are very few consumer items made entirely in the US anymore.  Even stuff that says "made in USA" on the product usually has at least some components made elsewhere (i.e. screws, o-rings, etc.).
 
This holds true for German products, also. It is not possible to know where every component comes from.
Could you imagine a Swarovski factory that produced the metal pieces, rubber o-rings and eye- cups, chemical coatings, and even the nitrogen gas that goes in to their products? 
Sounds dumb to mention all this, but there are those out there that believe all these items are produced by the same company,and even same location.
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Swarovski makes their scopes in Austria, and 99% of the pieces comes from neighbouring countries. This is why it says Made in EU on the Z6i and not Made in Austria. It would really be bad publicity if costumers would think that anything in their 2500€ scope is made in China. Even more because optics buyers in Europe are mostly hunters and for them where something is made is really important.

The same goes for guns. Common way of thinking is that a hunters gun has to be made by a gunsmith by hand. If you really can not afford, this then you buy Sauer, Blaser or Manlicher and you give the gun to a gunsmith to do the engravings in wood and so on.To have at least something unique. But everyone really wants a gun made by Johan Fanzoj (http://www.fanzoj.com/en/home/index.html)or any similar gunsmith.      

So where a scope or a gun is made is really important.
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