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This one is tailored for the M-4 but is supposed to add performance to all the M-16 variants
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looks nice, be cool to find out more details as they emerge
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M855A1 is the new "green" round that the military has been wasting money on for about 15 years or so.  It is a lead-free copper bullet of some sort with a steel penetrator.  

Personally, I am much more interested in the SOST round that looks to be adopted by the Marine Corp.  That one looks like an OTM version of the TBBC design.  I suspect this round will work better in terms of barrier penetration and lethality.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

M855A1 is the new "green" round that the military has been wasting money on for about 15 years or so.  It is a lead-free copper bullet of some sort with a steel penetrator.  

Personally, I am much more interested in the SOST round that looks to be adopted by the Marine Corp.  That one looks like an OTM version of the TBBC design.  I suspect this round will work better in terms of barrier penetration and lethality.

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I'm lost (not uncommon) on the acronyms.
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Now it makes sense to me
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Wrong Direction we are not fighting people wearing bullet proof vests we are fighting people in the third world.  We need a cartridge that retains more energy at longer distances like the 77gr Sierra Matchking and 77 gr Horniday JHP both of which will run in the M16 magazines and both of which retain significantly more energy at long range. Even the 69gr JHP bullets would be an improvement in knockdown.  The 5.56mm   .223 Rem cartridge is quite simply the wrong choice but its nice and light until you start adding the kitchen sink to the rails.  For example in Afghanistan the enemy may have some old WW1 era bolt action rifle that will kill you at 1000 yds and he has been carrying that same rifle all his life. We send kids who were taught not to get into fist fights in school and who never handled a firearm untill basic training into combat after having them learn to shoot at 25 yds or at the most on the 100 to 300 meter range and we expect something of them that they are not adequately equipped to accomplish.  They would be better off with M 14s and M1 Garands and Thompsons and 1911's we have idiots selecting the ammo and rifle.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

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I read somewhere in a magazine not to long ago out the Trophy bonded bear claw by federal. I believe. I might be mistaken but I thought that I read that they were going to be selling the bear claw to civilians as a 223 deer round. But i never did hear anymore about it.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Wrong Direction we are not fighting people wearing bullet proof vests we are fighting people in the third world.  We need a cartridge that retains more energy at longer distances like the 77gr Sierra Matchking and 77 gr Horniday JHP both of which will run in the M16 magazines and both of which retain significantly more energy at long range. Even the 69gr JHP bullets would be an improvement in knockdown.  The 5.56mm   .223 Rem cartridge is quite simply the wrong choice but its nice and light until you start adding the kitchen sink to the rails.  For example in Afghanistan the enemy may have some old WW1 era bolt action rifle that will kill you at 1000 yds and he has been carrying that same rifle all his life. We send kids who were taught not to get into fist fights in school and who never handled a firearm untill basic training into combat after having them learn to shoot at 25 yds or at the most on the 100 to 300 meter range and we expect something of them that they are not adequately equipped to accomplish.  They would be better off with M 14s and M1 Garands and Thompsons and 1911's we have idiots selecting the ammo and rifle.
 
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I would have no problem with us raising "spartan" society. The military already knows that rednecks make good shooters, most start shooting once they can get big enough to hold a 22
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

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Exactly right.

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My brother is an Army Ranger out of Fort Lewis 2nd bat and he's using the 6.8 SPC round.

I agree completely that the military is using not only the wrong cartridges but also the wrong training techniques.

If you insist on using the .223 platform you need to be using 75gr or larger and something along the lines of Hornady's TAP. TAP shoots MOA at 100 yards from my BCM mid length.
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The whole military wont switch cause something like the 6.8 is not a nato round. Its not a cheap worldwide manufactured ammo that our allies can use.  Same reason the military switched to the 9mm. The 45 was  time tested manstopper(no im not starting a 9mm vs45 arguement) but the 9mm was a nato round.

Who cares what kinda of guns, caliber or ammo the world carries. Cost shouldnt be as big as issue as it is. The military drops million dollar bombs like they got it to burn. Why not invest in a better platform and round. Try the 6.8, try the 6.5 G assualt rifles, hell give em all 308 battle rifles.
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Sorry didnt mean to go off from the post, Any knowledge of what new benefits this round is? Or the specs of it, BC, mzvelcoltiy, energy, grains etc?

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