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Starting another project.  Im not a real big fan of the gas guns so I need some help here.  The magazine used on the M1A, is it a "stagger feed" or is it a "inline, single file" feed?   Is anybody able to tell me if this magazine can be used for the WSM ammo?  If you have the clip and also shoot a WSM, can you load the WSM into this clip?

 

               

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its a staggered feed clip, what in the world are you gonna load wsm ammo in that for???
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yes, if fact a good set up for armalites, since they use modified m1a, is the wsm series in an armalite ar10 instead of the standard 308
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holy hell a 10 shot 300 wsm!!! look out deer and trees and more trees timber!!! thanks paul!!!
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Pyro, how the hell are ya!  Dale your the man..  Thats what were playin with.. I met some  old machine head buddies in south georgia (fun goin thru all the smoke).. I took my 7mm WSM with me for a shoot-off.. Took it to go against my buddies 300 WSM.  Man, did I tighten his gibbs and ways!!!!!!!  Anyway, he liked the 7mm so much that he is goin to put it in a gas gun.  Dale, the Armalite/ M1A mag, is it already modified and by who.??  The magazine is my part of the equation..
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doing good brother!! still kicking ass anyways need some better weather to finish my test loads for my 300 wsm i had one very good load so far and if its  the best i can get with my current setup then thats ok.
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I remember in the past, you mentioned you never had any luck with IMR.  You really should buy a pound of 4350 and load some.. 4350 is made for this WSM stuff. Im loadin the 7mm to the neck, the boat tale is just compressing with a long seat..At 90% case capacity Im not showing any pressure sign. Using a SMK and I "SMOKED" my buddies 300 WSM..  Completly safe, no joke.. It just shoots right.
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actually i said i have been using imr for years with great results its the hodgdon powder i havent had much luck with, but lately the reloader 19 has been performing wonderful in the 300 wsm, i have used about every powder imr makes at one point in time and i love the stuff.
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My slip.. I havnt used Hogdon for many years myself.. I think IMR smells better anyway..  Where does R19 fall on the burn scale??
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Oh Holy Hell, gotta go.. My ol lady beatin me with a broom!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I stink like burnin wet sawgrass!!!!!!!  Been campin in the swamp for a week..   Yeee haw
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Originally posted by hot30 hot30 wrote:

My slip.. I havnt used Hogdon for many years myself.. I think IMR smells better anyway..  Where does R19 fall on the burn scale??

 

i have been using reloader 19 which is very close to the 4831 class but then you can step up to the r22 and r25 which is slower yet.

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Darn, I've always used the Hodgon powders. But if the IMR smells better...............................
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This deserves serious consideration. I know this is one of the reasons WW 452AA dominated the trap world for 20-30 years, the after taste of cimammon. I think we should work up a relative smell index.
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You are certainly right there, Dale. I would be willing to sacrifice a little performance to taste cinnamon after a full day of handicap and doubles.

Too bad the 452 is history, a lot of shooters liked it.

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Now this deserves a new topic!!!!!!!!!!
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Anyway, Dale, are you familiar with this WSM gas gun stuff already.? How about the M1A mag. Does it work and who is doin it..

 

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Not from using any, but run on to them being mentioned on other websites. try www.snipershide.com and do a search. dpms offers a 30 rsam or whatever they call theirs, and the division of olympic arms, as a recall -predator- but don't hold me to it. Also GAP will convert just about anything.  got me curious now-guess I'll do some more research.
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The magazine is my part of the project, but I wonder  how they get arround any buffer problems, if any.  Any "magnum" type has to be hard on parts.
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The Accuracy International 300 Win Mag comes in a 10 round single stack that handles the belted cases so the smooth side cases on the WSM should work as the case is similar diameter - you might need to modify the length and the magazines are  hard to come by. You also might think about FN magazines the RockRiver .308 uses them. I have seen Robar altered M1a mags in a bolt gun but there is some reason that the modification of M1a mags is not a good fix otherwise GAP would be doing that and they are installing Badger Ordnance detachable magazines in their bolt guns. You probably need to ask George at GAP.

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Urimaginaryfrnd, Sorry it took so long to get back to this. Ive been having posting problems. GAP and Badger sounds like a good place to start.
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I will be looking at 10 rnd mags to start. With the follower and spring in the 10 rnd it should hold 5 WSM rounds easily.?  By chance does anyone have a .308 M1A mag that can give me some measurements?
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box length  =  inside 2.882"

width it tapers  = back .9480 at widest   .8345 at narrowest

lips .8565 length  .5430 narrowest

 

from a modified armalite m1a 20 rd used in an ar10 let me know if you need more.

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Thank you Dale.  2.882, looks like VLDs are out. Does it look like this taper is designed to funnel the round toward center of the mag , maybe to create an inline feed, sorta? or am I lookin at it wrong?
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your overall length will be limited to standard military ball 308. no there is no funneling and for this reason some M1a will have trouble with the "offset" round on a full mag. ONly load 19 in AR10T for this reason also. the magazine design is not sophisticated enough to center line feed, such as the FN, A-bolts etc. If you want to convert mag from a 308 orgin the first ones I would look at are the Galils.

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Dale, have rounded up some parts. Couldnt get a Galil mag but have a M1A and a metric FN/FAL.  Keep in mind that the WSM is not belted. The diameter of the wsm will make this thing "straight stack" for the most part. SAAMI length on the 7mm wsm is 2.860 so I have a bit of room on the length. The FAL mag isnt easily modified at the lips but the M1A is. I can re-locate the mounts on the mag itself, have to play with that until it strips the round out of the mag correctly but looks good. That Galil Sniper looks like some fun!!!   Take a wsm round and put it in your M1A mag and tell me what you think.  You taking the time to forward the dimensions to me set me in motion, Thanx a bunch for that, 30
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