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cheaptrick
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Posted: June/01/2007 at 18:42 |
tahqua
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Well, Mark, I certainly believe that black rules and walnut drools.
But in regards to present thinking, some critics believe that Stoner's direct impingement was and is a liability. Witness the HK 416. I have news for all the "HK is GOD" freaks. The HK G3/91 is recoil operated and vents gases into the chamber to facilitate extraction of spent casings. If anyone has any questions about this I can send you a spent casing to show the burn marks from the fluting. Now HK comes along and says this is a bad idea with the M16, go figure. I own HK rifles and pistols and respect their quality very much. I will stick with my dirty, filthy AR. Sorry for the rant from a Gene Stoner fan. He can be mentioned in the same company as Kalashnikov and Browning. Edited by tahqua |
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Dale Clifford
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couldn't get thru it-dumbest movie on guns I've seen-- doing that to get even aren't you ct.
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tahqua
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I know a lot of people get sensitive when it comes to the M14/16 issue. I have never had a M14/1A. I stuck with my M1 for service rifle until the bitter end. After switching to the AR I never really looked back.
Oh yeah, I even shot my HK91 at a non-sanctioned service rifle match. This was before the AR took off and it sure turned heads. Which brings me back to walnut, my Garand will see some matches this year and I am looking forward to it. |
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pyro6999
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i still like the m25 whitefeather
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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Dale Clifford
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16 was never initiated as an assault, started out as a contract by the air force as a "guard carbine" 14s were to heavy and too big a bullet to shoot around airplanes. Ar 180 lost out to stoner simply on cost of production, whicch was about 1/5 of the 14's at that time. size and degree of training of personnel were main considerations. then politics got involved same as t-58 (fn-fal) and 14s. result remarkable select fire prarie dog gun complete with carrying handle.ar won again when use made at home became a cry and the Daewoo lost out against major bids going to fn, if they built in the us of course. both daewoo and 180 better guns. will be interesting to see the direction taken in the future now that robinson lost out in a repeat of history. got an xcr on order from robinson should be here middle of next month anxious to see what the noise is. |
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cheaptrick
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Negative! I just ran across it and thought it would be a good "conversation starter".
I actually like both weapon platforms.
The shooter in this vid is Ken Elmore of SAW. |
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Dale Clifford
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it worked-wonder by they didn't use a kevlar helmet.
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Dale Clifford
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tah which Garand, IH,win,H&R,SA????? pictures-------
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tahqua
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Sorry Dale, I didn't catch this one. Winchester with a Springfield op rod. The side kick is all Colt, 1944. I can't remember when I bought either , but it's been at least 20+ years and the DCM did me real good on the Garand. |
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cheaptrick
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Nice weapons, Doug.
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lucznik
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I don't own any "assault weapons" of any design so; I don't have a "dog
in this fight" as the saying goes. However, I did have a couple of
questions/comments about the "logic" used in the video:
Now anyone of you that have read my posts in the past will know that I'm a high-velocity, light-for-caliber proponent. I regularly shoot 130 - 140 gr 6.5mm bullets and 120 - 140 gr. 7mm bullets at big-bodied elk and mule deer with great results. I've never liked 30 cal. rounds at all. However, the comparisons and conclusions made in the video were at best fairly poorly put together arguments that were clearly biased in their presentation. Someone was interested in promoting an agenda, rather than making a valid comparison. |
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What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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pyro6999
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i too like to use 120 gr 6.5mm and 140 gr 7mm bullets but i on the other hand am a huge fan of the .308's i dont think it matters what weight or what gun you shoot shot placement is the key, my 30 cal just kills stuff extra dead thats all.
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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Dale Clifford
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select fire weapons have two sears, the first as you suggest, is the primary and released by the person, and the second is "timed" by the closing of the bolt, generally off of the bolt carrier. anyone who has shot a m14 on full as say a FN heavy barrel squad will quickly point out the front end light, and general slop in the m14- which makes it rattle on full. the guy couldn't hit anything, because he knew everything was going to go to sh*t after the first round.
the orginial round was the 222 mag which was later replaced by the .223. and the twist rate was set at 1.14 to cause the bullets to tumble and wound, thus the necessity of 2 men to take the wounded away. nothing was every said about stopping power.
the jamming was due to the use of calcium carbonate as a flash supressant, which would cause incredible salt build up in humid weather.
when involved with these types of guns (and I've got a bunch) everyone develops there preferences and it don't mean squat.
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cheaptrick
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Hey Tahqua....Clean out your PM box, Bro.
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If at first you don't secede...try..try again.
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pyro6999
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please do i couldnt even send you a reply back this morning hey cheap sound familar to you?? |
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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