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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/14/2007 at 20:55
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OMG trying to figure out the right scope is a mind bending experience...

I have just bought an FN PBR XP in .308Win for use in Practical Long Range shooting matches.

I have been recommended to look at the Leupold Mark 4, 3.5-10x40mm, M1 or M2 knobs, mil-dot or mil-hash reticle.

However I am stumped on the value of the difference between the M1 and M2 1/4 or 1/2 adjustments and if I would be better looking at the front focal model LEU58850 and LEU60030 or if I should be after an illuminated reticle model like LEU60010 and LEU62150 (I really like the illuminated reticle IOR 1.1-4 I have on my FN FAL)

So I guess my questions are:

M1 1/4 MOA or M2 1/2MOA with BDC and tall or short? (You can see why it's confusing). I am thinking the M2 short with BDC for 168gr .308
Mil Dot or Tactical Milling? I am thinking Tactical Milling Reticle....
Front Focal or Illuminated? I am torn, with the Front Focal I can estimate range at any magnification setting but can't see it at night or vice versa....

I will be shooting 150gr FMJ and 168gr Match out of the FN PBR.

Any help with these would be sincerely appreciated.


Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/14/2007 at 23:09
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It all depends on what you are using it for. The M1 knobs are the most popular but they are quite tall and catch on brush if you have to slip through brush while stalking or hunting. The M2 are better at closer distances and the M1 better out past say 600 yds because your incriment of adjustment is finer. M3 one click at 1000 yds moves 10 inches, M2 one click at 1000 yde moves 5inches  and M1 at 1000 yds one click is 2.5 in ,  so M2 is quite useable for a gunfight but not as precise for target.  With M3 and M2 it is impossible to get lost in the dial and be off a turn.  I think the FFP scopes are the best choice especially if you use the marks for known hold over points they stay the same where second plane is only useable at highest power.  I like the TMR better than mil dot and I like IOR MP8 better than that and the new Z1000 reticle from zeiss is like a Horus Vision christmas tree with lots of marks to hold over and estimate wind drift so the reticle does make a difference. If its a combat gun M2 and if its a police gun M1 if its a range queen M1.       also worth a look


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/15/2007 at 11:05
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If your FN is set up like mine it has the 20 MOA with 6/40 screws, which is the first thing you want to get rid of, also the the Hogue stock has to much drop in the comb for 1000 yd shooting. also the 4 rd detachable box mags, at least mine are a real pita. hope yours is top fed. ok working with those problems if not good luck trying to find extras, regular 308 length (243 etc) detachable winchesters will work.  it is necessary to bring the optical site down as far as possible to even shoot the gun prone.

but you probably got this one because of the additional 1000 for the A5, the TMR is miles ahead of the mil-dot. If you plan to mix up your loads the BDC will have to be re-calibrated or changed out for the FMJ, and the M1 will give you a degree of "play room". FFP aren't necessary unless your in the "trade", but if you do use it , the 20 moa mount will probably be necessary to get you out there. If you do go long range, 168s don't work well, past 600, so this all adds to the problem.

FFP is easier to see in the dark than sfp and the illuminated would help the sfp more if you choose this. Personally for fast target acquistion I prefer to use illuminated in the daylight.

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