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    Posted: November/23/2016 at 07:45
Looking to top off a new 308. It's main purpose will be hunting, but with a new 1000yrd range less than an hour drive I'm definitely wanting to start learning long range shooting. I've been looking at the Vortex Razor LH 3-15 and Bushnell LRHS 3-12. Has anybody been able to compare these 2. Also I would throw the Meopta R1 3-12 in their, or any others in the 1k price range members suggest.
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I've not looked at the other two, but I own the Meopta R1 3-12 and rate it as one of the best I own.  It sits on a Voere Shikar 300 WinMag.  So far, I've only tested it out to 500 yards, but the scope and the rifle excel at that range.  The glass is as good as my Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10… at least so close I can't tell the difference. It is not a "knob turner" scope… set and forget.  I am zeroed at 300 and have the "4b" reticle.  Distance measuring is right on, low-light performance is superior, clarity and resolution are superb.  It is one of my "BEST Buys".  Certainly good to go for 1000 yard shooting.
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If you want to dabble in long range with the same rifle, get the LRHS. The other two are excellent scores, but they are not intended for 1000 yard shooting.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

If you want to dabble in long range with the same rifle, get the LRHS. The other two are excellent scores, but they are not intended for 1000 yard shooting.

ILya

What does it take to be "intended for 1000 yard shooting"?




Some require more work, doesn't mean they are not up to the task.  

The LRHS is a good scope... just not one I care for.  The Meopta McWhorter reticle is very similar to the LRHS... I just like the Meopta glass better.
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Thanks guys, How does the Zeiss hd5 3-15 w/ r800 reticle compare to the lrhs?
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It means exactly what it says.

Some scopes are intended for long range shooting and are designed with features that make it a little easier. That does not mean that it is impossible to make a 1000 yard shot with them.  If you know what you are doing, you can make that shot.  However, if you are going to be practicing at that distance a lot, you can make yoru life simpler and get a scope designed for it. 

Neither the Meopta nor the Razor HD LH have the reticle, the turrets or the adjustment range for it.  

I am not a huge fan of holdover reticles in SFP scopes.  For any sort of a long range shooting with a reticle, I strongly prefer mrad or MOA based scales in FFP.  That is what the LRHS has.  It also has more adjustment range than the other two and a nicely tactile exposed turret.  


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The Meopta is FFP, has plenty of adjustment range for 1000.  It is not designed for "cranking the knobs" as I have said, but the McWhorter reticle is very much like the LRHS.  
The reticle I posted is from an 8x Unertl, used quite successfully in WWII and VietNam and even today.  Adjustments were less than friendly, though greater than most of today's scopes, it was normally zeroed at 700 yards and often used beyond 1000.  
Yep, some take more work… that sometimes translates into excellence...
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LRHS reticle:



Meopta FFP McWhorter Reticle:





SO, how is the LHRS more suited for long range (1000) than the McWhorter???  Yes, the McWhorter is "specific" for ammo… all the BDC's are.



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Honestly, I did not know they started making McWhorter in FFP scores. My original point still stands, though, since this reticle takes you out to a bit over 800 yards with a 30 cal bullet with 0.508 BC and 3000fps velocity. That is not exactly 308Win ballistics.

Yes, you can make it with in s pinch with creative sight in, buy it was not designed for it.

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I can shoot those rounds...
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Not out of a 308.  The reticle seems to have been designed with 300WinMag in mind.

I looked up the specific reticle dimensions and the spacing from the crosshair to the top of the bottom post is 19.2MOA.

That takes my 308 out to around 700 yards or so with 175grSMK.  Honestly, that's not bad.  

Nor, to the answer the question about HD5: it is a holdover reticle in the second focal plane, so the holdover information changes with magnification.  Personally, I am sorta on the record with not liking that idea.  Besides, I looked at the HD5 and Razor HD LH side by side and preferred the Razor.  I am not a MOA shooter, but the HSR-4 reticle is easier for me to make work than the RR reticles in HD5.

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Thank you Koshkin, LRHS is ordered.
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155 gr Lapua Scenar

OAL 2.920 Win Brass

read that again its important

47.8gr varget 


Not 300WinMag.

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Dan, you don't reload.

Still, 47.8gr is above the max data and is a pretty ambitious load. Varget starts getting compressed at around 45 grains, I think.

And with all that McWhorter will take you out to 800 at most.

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I haven't loaded in years… doesn't mean I don't keep up.  That load information is from some guys who shoot Palma matches and are actually using it.  
I don't need a McWhorter scope to get out to 1000… My Meostar R1 with 4B reticle will do just fine.  
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