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Looking for a new deer rifle for the Pops. He has had a pacemaker and will not shoot as much as he use to. Doctor has cleared him to hunt, but he has not picked up his 06 since. I have loned him a 243, but I want to get him something alittle bigger and I would like my rifle back. Any suggestions, I was thinking 7mm-08 but he has been fond of the 25-06 but I dont know to much about this caliber, I have alway had a .243 just could not find any use for the 25's.

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How about something like a 6.5x55. Mine is a real easy kicker and good for deer and moose.
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How hard are the bullets to find. I have looked at the ballistic and the bullet weight is good, but was woundering if you can get bullets at Academy or Gander Mnt?

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Need some input from some of our southern friends on here.

 
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Originally posted by BayouBuck BayouBuck wrote:

Looking for a new deer rifle for the Pops. He has had a pacemaker and will not shoot as much as he use to. Doctor has cleared him to hunt, but he has not picked up his 06 since. I have loned him a 243, but I want to get him something alittle bigger and I would like my rifle back. Any suggestions, I was thinking 7mm-08 but he has been fond of the 25-06 but I dont know to much about this caliber, I have alway had a .243 just could not find any use for the 25's.

.................For your Pops, physically make things as easy as possible for him and for sure go with the 7mm/08. The perfect deer caliber.
 
A shorter action than the 25-06, generally means a somewhat lighter rifle than the 25-06. I`d also take into consideration the easier handling, lighter and more compact rifles available in the 7mm/08, like the Remy 7, the Ruger Frontier (like mine), a 20" Browning A-Bolt, etc.........Something along those lines.
 
These imo, would make things easier, better and certainly a more ideal package for your Pops!..Wink
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

.................For your Pops, physically make things as easy as possible for him and for sure go with the 7mm/08. The perfect deer caliber.



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Here`s a good article for you & your "pops" by Dick Metcalf.
 
 
You can use a conventional scope, a scout or a red dot with this rifle.
 
 
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Bayou Buck, your instincts are good.  You can't go wrong with either 7-08 or the .25-06.  It just so happens that my two favorite deer rifles are chambered for those 2.  Recoil is mild with both.  If I had to make a preference, I would go with 7-08.  Just a well-balanced, efficient, accurate cartridge that isn't fussy to handload for, and it will handle shooting duties well beyond what its size would seem to indicate.  For all practical purposes, it is a ballistic twin of the classic 7X57 Mauser.  It really isn't too far behind the .280 in performance, and will pretty much handle anything that you'd use a .280 for, with less recoil.  Bullet selection for 7mm (0.284) is better than for 0.257 as well, so you have quite a few good options if "Pops" is a handloader. 

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I agree, the 7-08 is really catching on, low on recoil, usually a light rifle, excellent performance,  good selection of ammo.
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+1 to the 7mm-08.  Great round for deer, hogs etc.  Easy to find ammo, with several choices. 
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IF the ranges are not to long, then a .260, 6.8 or a 7.62x39 CZ 527 may be good answers.  Dare I say 30/30?  The .257 Roberts also come to my mind.
 
The main problem with recoil is not during the hunt.  It is getting sighted in on the bench.  Most people with heart problems bruise easy from all the blood thinner they take. Getting him used to a gun that is light and does not cause him to flinch is the rub.
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I own both a 25-06, and a 7mm-08.  I have taken many deer with both, and even a bear with the 25.  They are pretty equal as far as recoil goes.  If range is a factor, the 25-06 may be a  better choice.
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Thanks for all the help. The artical in shooting times shows the stock on the scout rifle being 1/2 inch shorter the the standard Ruger. His 06 is one of the old Tang saftey so I think he may be the right rifle for him. NOW would it be better in 260 or 7mm-08? With the short,, light rifle would one have more recoil than the other.

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Originally posted by BayouBuck BayouBuck wrote:

Thanks for all the help. The artical in shooting times shows the stock on the scout rifle being 1/2 inch shorter the the standard Ruger. His 06 is one of the old Tang saftey so I think he may be the right rifle for him. NOW would it be better in 260 or 7mm-08? With the short,, light rifle would one have more recoil than the other.

..........Metcalf reports in that same article, that the LOP on his 7mm/08 test Frontier is 1/2 inch shorter than the full sized Ruger stock. Actually, my 300 WSM Frontier`s LOP is 12.5 inches, which is about an inch to an inch and a quarter shorter than most full sized stocks. Much easier and faster to shoulder with less liklihood of getting the stock`s butt caught in the clothing.
 
In my `08 Ruger Buyers Guide catalog, there is no listing for the 260 Remy in either the Frontier compact or the regular compact. They do show the 243, 7mm/08, 308, 338 Fed and the 358 Win. Ruger may have discontinued the 260 Remy just like they no longer chamber my 300 WSM in the Frontier. I haven`t checked their website. Their catalog which I have and their website, may not be in sinc.
 
For your dad, the 7mm/08 Frontier should be a very comfortable rifle to shoot and especially easy to carry around on the hunts. I don`t believe the recoil will be that much greater with the 7mm/08 vs the 260 Rem. If you`re going to reload for him or if he reloads his own, the charges can be altered or adjusted to achieve the best comfort level for recoil. I really doubt that he`ll have a recoil issue with the 7mm/08. If so, do what I do. For the bench, I use a slip on Limbsaver recoil pad. Really cuts down on any felt recoil. Though it does have some real good kick, it turns my 300 WSM Frontier into more of a pussycat! It has substantially more recoil than the 7mm/08.
 
The regular compacts (non-Frontier), if still available in the 260 (NIB leftovers), only allow for a scope to be mounted over the receiver. The Frontiers allow for both; an over the receiver integral built-in mount AND also a scout base which is included from Ruger already secured on the barrel. That`s the beauty & versatility of the Frontier, which no other bolt rifle in a compact or otherwise can give you. It can virtually be adapted to any terrain condition with a regular scope, a scout scope, the red dots or whatever.  
 
Your dad will be able to sling this rifle over his shoulder with the muzzle below the top of his head. Real sweet in the timber and brush! He`ll also be able to walk around with his arms down at his side, carry the Frontier by the pistol grip, muzzle pointed straight down while having plenty of ground clearance for the muzzle.
 
Metcalf`s velocity findings of only a 4.5% difference is very true as my own chrony results have shown. In fact, my rifle`s velocity in certain identical re-loadings does come to within 3.8% of the longer 24" 300 WSM barrels I have tested. Like Metcalf says; only a 4.5% loss from a barrel that is 31% shorter than a 24"er!! Based on his figures with his 7mm/08, I calculated only a 16.4 fps loss for every inch of shorter barrel length. Any deer won`t know the difference.
 
Even for its youth dimensions, it is still quite comfortable, nimble and very fast even for a full sized adult (like me) to handle.
 
If you go with either Ruger compact, "pops" will be very happy!
 
 
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My buddy just bought a new Rem 700 XCR in 7mm 08 with the new improved sissy pad on the end. All kidding aside, its a pleasure to shoot. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it for young or old shooters who are recoil sensative.
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The .260 has a great balance of low recoil and plenty of power for any deer there is.
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my vote would be for either:
 
BAR Lightweight Stalker in .270 - weighs about 7 lbs 6 oz
 
Remington Model 7 in .260 with its 20" barrel and 6 lbs 8 oz.
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Pick a caliber and go for it! Just make sure you add a Sims Limbsaver recoil pad To the end of your rifle. I put one on my Ruger 77 and man is it a pleasure to shoot!! Made my 350 Remington Magnum a real pussy cat. 

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Originally posted by garrett1107 garrett1107 wrote:

I own both a 25-06, and a 7mm-08.  I have taken many deer with both, and even a bear with the 25.  They are pretty equal as far as recoil goes.  If range is a factor, the 25-06 may be a  better choice.
 
huh?? how do you figure? the 7-08 has way higher b.c. than the 25-06, the 25-06 is like a .35 b.c and the 7-08 is more like a .48 b.c. you should look at a ballistics chart the 7-08 will out preform the 25-06 at long range easily at 500yds the 7-08 with a 140gr bullet is still well over 1000ftlbs of energy where the 25-06 is under 1000ftlbs with a 120gr bullet. i would take the 7-08 all day long especially in a rifle like a rem model 7.
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I have a 7mm/08 Winch 70 compact I gave my oldest son and it has proved an ideal combination of minimal recoil and knock down as he was growing up ...Worked great.. That being said, he started out with an H&R 30/30 handirifle that also proved to be a excellent starter for him ... I like the old cartrdige, especially with Horandy's latest offerings.. I know it lacks the range of the 7mm/08, but out to 150 yd.s , it works just fine.



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Originally posted by BayouBuck BayouBuck wrote:

NOW would it be better in 260 or 7mm-08? With the short,, light rifle would one have more recoil than the other.

 
You won't be able to tell any difference with the typical bullet weights (120gr, 130gr, 140gr) you'd use with either for deer size game.  You probably wouldn't notice much, if any difference in terminal performance either.  Either round would be an excellent choice for the stated purpose of low recoil and deer sized game at moderate ranges.  I'm a huge fan of any and all rounds based off the .308 case, to include the .308 itself, and I have rifles chambered for all commercial cartridges in the .308 case family.
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After all the posts and opinions I have recieved I am going to go with the 7mm-08 for sure. I have went to the local gun shops and looked for one of the rugers and thier is not one on the shelf anywhere. I did find a Savage 16 weather warrior that was extremely light for a 22" barrel that I liked. I am going to Bass Pro this weekend, to see what they have thier. Thanks for all the help.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I'm a huge fan of any and all rounds based off the .308 case, to include the .308 itself, and I have rifles chambered for all commercial cartridges in the .308 case family.
 
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Before you decide on a final pick, hopefully you`ll  find the Ruger and try one out. Remember too, that the Ruger compacts have their new LC6 (a sweetheart) trigger
and are very accurate.
 
The 7mm/08 is an ideal round. No better choice for "pops"................  
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