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I've been wanting to build a "practical rifle" for some time now - a short, light, 1-3x or 1-4x optic equipped rifle in .308 for offhand use out to 200 or so yards.  (I've heard these referred to as "walking rifles" if that helps.)  I was planning on building this - someday - on a Tikka T3 Lite, but I found a Stevens 200 and was able to afford starting the project right now.

I've had good luck with Talley one piece rings/bases on my 700, so I'm leaning to using them on this rifle.  I'm trying to decide what optic to use with about a $300 or so budget.  So far I'm considering the Nikon 1-4x Monarch African, a Weaver 1-3x, a Leupold Mark AR 1.5-4x or a Leupold VX-II 1-4x.  Illuminated would be a plus but I think it's unlikely with any kind of quality in my price range.  A forgiving eye box is a major issue for me.

Can anyone offer their experiences with less expensive lower powered variables like these?  Thanks!
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

this is what i would suggest to you

http://swfa.com/Vortex-2-7x32-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P10818.aspx
 
I missed the $300 budget that the OP posted.
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As far as a forgiving eyebox, my Leupold 1-4 shotgun scope is the best I've used. It's on a short, light, 308. Fast and easy to use. I suspect that the shorter parallax setting and heavy duplex help that. I have a 2-8x Burris Signature on another 308. The glass is better in low light, and the higher magnification comes in handy, and 2X is low enough. It is not as forgiving, and the reticle is a bit thin.
The Monarch 1-4 sounds like a good scope for your purposes. The Burris Fullfield II 2-7 with the #4 reticle is another that might be worth considering.
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Shenko - you know, I hadn't considered a shotgun scope with shorter parallax - I think it would be quite appropriate for this rifle.  That's the VX-I, right?

Cheaptrick - I wish my budget stretched that far!  If it did, I'd go with an Accupoint in a heartbeat.  I'm still looking for a used one that I might be able to stretch and get.
 
Pyro - I'd really like to stay 1x or 1.5x max on the short end.
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I had a VX I 1-4X20 and it was one of the worst scopes I have used as far as clarity and low light performance.  Maybe the VX II would be better.  I'd really like the VX3 1.5-5, but that might be more money than you want to spend.  All in all, I'd look at the VX I before you bought it.  I'm guessing you wouldn't buy it after seeing it.  
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Originally posted by HeavyDuty HeavyDuty wrote:

Shenko - you know, I hadn't considered a shotgun scope with shorter parallax - I think it would be quite appropriate for this rifle.  That's the VX-I, right?

Cheaptrick - I wish my budget stretched that far!  If it did, I'd go with an Accupoint in a heartbeat.  I'm still looking for a used one that I might be able to stretch and get.
 
Pyro - I'd really like to stay 1x or 1.5x max on the short end.

the difference between 1.5 and 2 is nothing, im not sure if vortex is like a lot of other company's, if it is the 2x is closer to 1.5-1.75x
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You should consider a scout rifle--- handy, powerful, fast, and anything a 1-4 will do a 2 extended eye relief will do.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

this is what i would suggest to you

http://swfa.com/Vortex-2-7x32-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P10818.aspx
 
I missed the $300 budget that the OP posted.

WOW!!! Thats a great price! I bought two last week for $259 a piece!
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SWFA SS 6x42 Tactical Riflescope SWFA SS 6x42 Tactical Riflescope
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  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Rear Focus
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 1/4 MOA
$299.95
I really like a fixed 6 power scope the thing is this one can be used that way and still be able to extend range well out past    600 yds.  6x will come on target pretty good well under 100 yds and will be a very bright optic in low light.  The mil dots can be used for know hold over marks and you have the choice to dial in correction with the tactical knobs or you can have Kenton engrave knobs in yards. I also like several of the other fixed 6x scopes that are out there for this type of use but most dont have the features the SS does. If you did not want knobs I would look at the other fixed 6x scopes from Leupold, Burris and  Weaver and see what works for you.  Leupold has what they call long range duplex which has two hold over marks below center for longer distances. I also have a Leupold Vx3 in 6x42 Heavy Duplex and it is very easy to pick up the reticle in low light and the new VX3 glass is quite an improverment over lesser quality Leupolds.
Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Riflescope Long Range Duplex Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Riflescope
Stock # - LEU66820
  • Matte
  • Long Range Duplex
  • 1"
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
$429.95
If you need somthing illuminated you may want an aimpoint.
Aimpoint 9000L 30mm Red Dot Sight 2 MOA Dot Aimpoint 9000L 30mm Red Dot Sight
Stock # - AIM11419
  • Matte
  • 2 MOA Dot
  • 30mm
  • Free Aimpoint Bikini Lens Cover w/ Purchase
$389.95
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A Vortex Viper for $180? Grab it.
Thanks, Pyro.

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Burris also makes a decent scout scope,they also make a line called timberland thats within your price range.5 years ago I purchased a Burris 4x scope called the magnum it took a hell of a beating on a magnum rifle I use & held up very well,they stopped production 3 yrs ago but if you do a search you might find one for about $200.SWFA used to have them on the list,might want to give them a call. 
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I think I've got it down to either a Nikon 1-4x Monarch African or a Leupold VX-II 1-4x.  I'm going to try and check them out locally.
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The #4 reticule on the Monarch should work well in low light.
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I've used the VXII 1-4x20 quite a bit and really like it.  I've used them on a .375h&h, 35 whelen and one on 7400 auto in 30-06 for deer hunting. The rifle was terrible, but I liked the scope.
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I took a drive after work to one of the largest gun stores in the area and they didn't have the Nikon nor the VX-II.  They did have a Mark AR 1.5-4x, not bad - but I want to see the VX-II in particular first.  I think it's time for a Cabellas trip.
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I have one of these on my on my Marlin 1895G. Its a great scope, lightweight, clear tough and doesnt cost a fortune.
 
 
 
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Trijicon 1-4x24 #4/dot is the way to go http://swfa.com/Trijicon-Accu-Point-Rifle-Scopes-C207.aspx
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Bill, I'd go Accupoint in a heartbeat but they're well outside of budget for this build - even the used ones I've found are almost twice my $300 limit.
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If you can stretch your budget a bit, this scope is fantastic IMO.  http://swfa.com/Sightron-125-5x20-SII-Big-Sky-Riflescope-P9152.aspx

I have one on a .357 lever gun.  It is very clear good eye relief, forgiving just a good scope IMO. 
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Now that's interesting, and with the rebate it's close enough to the budget.  I know squat about Sightron - what can you tell me about them?
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They make very good products.  The Big Sky line is comparable to Bushnell 4200, Leupold VX3, Zeiss Conquest, Vortex Viper.  To my eyes it has slightly better glass than my 4200s, not quite as good as my Trijicon accupoint but very close.

I ran it on my 45-70 for a while with some heavy loads and it held up just fine.  It has the 4 inches of eye relief which is nice incase you are shooting up hill or other funky positions that could get you smacked.  It is just a dandy scope.  I would not mind having more of them.
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Also it has pop up resettable to zero knobs which is nice incase you want to dial in a shot occasionally. 
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