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I am thinking about upgrading the scope on my favorite deer rifle.  It currently has an Elite 4200 4-16X50 mounted on it.  I want good optics with great low light performance.  I have been considering an Elite 6500 2.5-16X50.  After reading some of the posts on this site, I am open to considering a Swaro Z6 2-12X50 or other equivalent.  My question is - are the other options so much better in low light as to justify spending 2.5-3 times the money?  If so, which one is the best bang for the buck.  This is my greatest criteria - performance gained vs. money spent.  I don't mind spending extra money as long as I get what I pay for.  I can get an Elite 6500 for <$550 nib. 
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The 6500 has the same glass as the 4200, so you are not going to be any better with it.  The Swaro will be better for sure.  If you don't want to spend as much but want a scope with really nice glass, check out the Meopta Meostar line.  They have extremely good glass for the money.  Probably won't be quite as good as the Swaro, but will blow the Bushnell away. 
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Originally posted by geezer geezer wrote:

I am thinking about upgrading the scope on my favorite deer rifle.  It currently has an Elite 4200 4-16X50 mounted on it.  I want good optics with great low light performance.  I have been considering an Elite 6500 2.5-16X50.  After reading some of the posts on this site, I am open to considering a Swaro Z6 2-12X50 or other equivalent.  My question is - are the other options so much better in low light as to justify spending 2.5-3 times the money?  If so, which one is the best bang for the buck.  This is my greatest criteria - performance gained vs. money spent.  I don't mind spending extra money as long as I get what I pay for.  I can get an Elite 6500 for <$550 nib. 


Maybe I'm misunderstanding but from everything I've read, the 4200 or Nikon is probably the best "bang for the buck".  As for low light, Swaro, Zeiss, Kahles, Meopta, and Trijicon are all fine choices. 


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FWIW: I had the same scope as you, the Kahles CL 3-10x50 is a much nicer scope in low light
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Originally posted by ccoker ccoker wrote:

FWIW: I had the same scope as you, the Kahles CL 3-10x50 is a much nicer scope in low light
 
I can add that the CL is amazing!  Takes me way past legal shooting time here in Nebraska!
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I don't have any input, but is the Meopta and Trijicon in the same class with the others. I read or heard that Meopta makes Cabelas scopes. I don't know if thats true.
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Considering low light performance as the most important factor, which scope offers the most advantage - Meopta Meostar or Kahles CL?  Does Swaro or Zeiss offer enough difference to warrant the extra $$$?

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Every Scope mentioned here is great. For the price difference between a Kahles CL and a Swarovski or Zeiss I would go with the Kahles they are great for the money. The Zeiss Conquest is also reasonably priced. The Swaro and the high end Zeiss "Diavari" are both better scopes than the others but with double the price tag. Are they Twice as good as the other scopes? No. Once you get to a certain breaking point you pay a lot to gain a little. If that makes sense.

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Originally posted by RonDodson RonDodson wrote:

I don't have any input, but is the Meopta and Trijicon in the same class with the others. I read or heard that Meopta makes Cabelas scopes. I don't know if thats true.
 
The Trijicon scopes compare with the Zeiss Conquest line optically, which makes it roughly in the same class as Elite 4200 / 6500.  I don't have personal experience with Meopta Meostar scopes, but the consensus has been that they are a little better than the Conquest/Elite/Monarch class of scopes, which if true would put them above the Trijicon Accupoint.  I do have an Accupoint, and I would rank it on par with my Conquest.  It's good, but not in the same league as Swaro, Zeiss, S&B, Kahles, etc.
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Originally posted by RonDodson RonDodson wrote:

I don't have any input, but is the Meopta and Trijicon in the same class with the others. I read or heard that Meopta makes Cabelas scopes. I don't know if thats true.


Meopta makes the Cabelas Euro bino's but that is all.  Meopta Meostar optics are very very good in my opinion.  Better than 4200, trijicon, Conquest.  They are very comparable to IOR optics.
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I decided to go with the Kahles CL - found a nib 4-12X52 w/ a #4 recticle.  I think that I will like this recticle better than a plex.  Hope to have it mounted on a rifle by the middle of next week.Yippee
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I think your most cost effective choice for outstanding contrast, resolution and light transmission is a Kahles C or CSX off the http://www.samplelist.com/default.aspx?display_num=10&mfg_selection=5&prod_type=-1&hide_sold=false
Your choice is also a very good one. The glass and coatings are no different than the various C models.
These scopes are certainly in the same league as the high end Swaro and Zeiss. The latter, are in fact, a tad better. But, the Kahles are an outstanding value and tanks, though.
Any of these three are the absolute best for hunting applications, IMO.


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I just used a rifle last weekend that had a Docter 3-12 x56 and was able to see every detail in the dark.Not familiar with this brand but have to say it is brighter than my Zeiss Conquest.I may consider buying this scope now that it performed the best of any scope I have used in the dark.The guy who owns the scope bought it in Germany and he said that this scope is made for low light hunting.
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Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

Every Scope mentioned here is great. For the price difference between a Kahles CL and a Swarovski or Zeiss I would go with the Kahles they are great for the money. The Zeiss Conquest is also reasonably priced. The Swaro and the high end Zeiss "Diavari" are both better scopes than the others but with double the price tag. Are they Twice as good as the other scopes? No. Once you get to a certain breaking point you pay a lot to gain a little. If that makes sense.




I agree; but I'll be damned if my Swaro doesn't outshine every other hunting scope I own.  It costs considerably more, but it sure is pretty!

Gonna have a Conquest 4.5-14x44 with target elevation turret for sale real soon.  It'll be removed and replaced with a Z6 2.5-10 - and I'll be happy as a dung beetle in steamy pile o' poop.
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Well that is a hell of an image Rancid!
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