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I'm looking for a new scope in the 20-24 power variable .

I'm not so much worried about clarity or light gathering as I am one that is good about dialing out parallax and holds absolute zero with perfect repeatability on adjustments(A MUST) all for target shooting out too 300 meters.

for use in the target dept. where tiny groups are the norm!

Looked and read on the Leupold VXIII but worried about the sf lash and some other small problems.

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Reticle choice and the "high end" of your budget??
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about 700-900.00  prefer mil dot or fine with or without dot. But no more Nikon's but I must say I am curious about the new ones coming out!
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There are a few good choices:

Burris Black Diamond 6-24x50 with BalMildot

Sightron S3 6-24x50 with MilDot

Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x40 with MilDot and eith AO or sidefocus.

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Originally posted by don940 don940 wrote:

about 700-900.00  prefer mil dot or fine with or without dot. But no more Nikon's but I must say I am curious about the new ones coming out!

 

NO MORE NIKON'S?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Holy Christmas, why not Nikon???



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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

There are a few good choices:

Burris Black Diamond 6-24x50 with BalMildot

Sightron S3 6-24x50 with MilDot

Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x40 with MilDot and eith AO or sidefocus.

ILya

I would agree with Koshkin, all but the Bushnell have 30mm tubes, providing added elevation adjusement.  However the Bushnell comes in several models and all but one, have limited elevation adjustment, of only 26 MOA at 100 yard, or actually 26 inches at 100 yards.  The mildot model with a P at the end of the model has 40 inches of elevation of adjustment at 100 yards.  The Bushnell is an excellent scope, but you did not mention the caliber you were shooting and if it is a .308 for 1000 yards, this will not be enough and you will need at least a 20 MOA rail.  A 300 or 30-378 Wby. and its no problem.  The Sightron has 50 inches of elevation adjustment at 100 yards and the Burris 52.  So, I would check the caliber you are using and a ballistics program or chart and see if you are going to have enough adjustment with these scope and whether you need or want a rail or rather go with a scope with more elevation adjustment.

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By the way, the Leupold VXIII 6.5x20 50mm and 8.5x25 50mm, both have 65 inches of elevation adjustment at 100 yards.
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Let me ask why would a short range shooter need such a high elevation adjustment for 100-300 yds?

cheaptrick the nikons seem to wear out interanaly to me after about 5-800 rounds and I have always been a true Nikon fan!  I went from shooting consistant tiny groups and then as in my other post they opened up! how I came to find this out is I bought a cheep tasco varmint for 80.00 slaped it on and boom groups came back down. The fix I reported in my other post wasnt totaly correct! but I did not want to scare any new buyers away as they are a very very good scope for hunting and the general 1 MOA rifle!

Our local clubs overall shoot winner was using a sighttron Dolphin. He said it was not the clearest or sharpes or have the best exit pupil but that it was a very good 500.00 scope for small time benchrest shooting! and by the way its going on a 22-250AI

 

below is what I read over at 6MMBR.com

 

Comment Re Leupold Ratings: Leupold scopes are outstanding, but we will not rate them 5-stars until Leupold improves tracking stability so 3rd-party solutions are not required, and until Leupold re-engineers its side focus to eliminate lash and to allow near-zero parallax with ideal target sharpness. It can be done. The lesser-priced side-focus Zeiss Conquest has no lash problem and it delivers near-zero parallax and ideal target focus at the same time.

http://www.6mmbr.com/optics.html

 

I would like one of the new zeiss comming out but I need a new one before April 28th!

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What kind of competition is this scope for?  You mentioned benchrest out to 300 meters.  If you are serious about short range benchrest, I would not recommend any variable scope at all, and instead would get a fixed power model with fine crosshair.  Then again, if you are strictly benchrest shooting, I wouldn't recommend the .22-250AI chambering, which is at a significant accuracy disadvantage to the 6PPC, 22PPC, 6BR, 30BR, and the like.  It sounds like you have some sort of informal varmint rifle competition and the rifle will also be used for varmint hunting.  If that's the case, any of the scopes mentioned above, all at or below your price limit, would be fine choices.

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Originally posted by don940 don940 wrote:

below is what I read over at 6MMBR.com

 

Comment Re Leupold Ratings: Leupold scopes are outstanding, but we will not rate them 5-stars until Leupold improves tracking stability so 3rd-party solutions are not required, and until Leupold re-engineers its side focus to eliminate lash and to allow near-zero parallax with ideal target sharpness. It can be done. The lesser-priced side-focus Zeiss Conquest has no lash problem and it delivers near-zero parallax and ideal target focus at the same time.

http://www.6mmbr.com/optics.html

 

I would like one of the new zeiss comming out but I need a new one before April 28th!

 

FWIW, I have a SF Leupold VX-III 6.5-20 LR scope and I have not had any of the parallax adjustment lash supposedly plaguing all SF Leupolds.  I was interested in this scope primarily because of the Varmint Hunter's reticle, so before purchase, I e-mailed Leupold and directed them to those exact comments you reference at the 6mmbr.com site above.  They responded saying this used to be true but that they have sinced fixed the SF adjustments so this is supposedly no longer the case.  I can't tell you for certain whether or not this is still an issue, but what I can tell you is neither me nor a shooting buddy of mine has had any problems with lash with our SF Leupys, both purchased within the past 2 years.

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Originally posted by don940 don940 wrote:

Let me ask why would a short range shooter need such a high elevation adjustment for 100-300 yds?

cheaptrick the nikons seem to wear out interanaly to me after about 5-800 rounds and I have always been a true Nikon fan!  I went from shooting consistant tiny groups and then as in my other post they opened up! how I came to find this out is I bought a cheep tasco varmint for 80.00 slaped it on and boom groups came back down. The fix I reported in my other post wasnt totaly correct! but I did not want to scare any new buyers away as they are a very very good scope for hunting and the general 1 MOA rifle!

Our local clubs overall shoot winner was using a sighttron Dolphin. He said it was not the clearest or sharpes or have the best exit pupil but that it was a very good 500.00 scope for small time benchrest shooting! and by the way its going on a 22-250AI

 

below is what I read over at 6MMBR.com

 

Comment Re Leupold Ratings: Leupold scopes are outstanding, but we will not rate them 5-stars until Leupold improves tracking stability so 3rd-party solutions are not required, and until Leupold re-engineers its side focus to eliminate lash and to allow near-zero parallax with ideal target sharpness. It can be done. The lesser-priced side-focus Zeiss Conquest has no lash problem and it delivers near-zero parallax and ideal target focus at the same time.

http://www.6mmbr.com/optics.html

 

I would like one of the new zeiss comming out but I need a new one before April 28th!

Sorry, I posted early this am and for some reason, had it in my mind that you were shooting out to 1000 yards.  Never mind.

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No I'm not a full blown competition bench rest guy. I just shoot in the monthly event my club has but it does get pretty competitive. I have also been known to go crazy on the cost of toys/hobbies I enjoy!

We shoot 100yd 200 meter and 300 meter They also shoot 500meter but I dont compete in that with a .22

I am however Tired of messing with mediocre scopes! But with that being said I also dont want to jump into the 1500.00 category! I want a variable because I also enjoy hunting with the same gun! My .243 now wears the buckmaster 50mm and its just fine for hunting But I want more for my 22-250 and when barrel gives out I believe I want to barrel it into a .22 dasher what can I say I love .224's

 



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