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I have been researching binoculars for a little while now and found this forum today. From what I have read, people here are very helpful! Hopefully some of you can throw your two cents in for me as well. I am looking at sub 1000.00 binoculars and feel like I have narrowed down the list to a few. The list below is in order of precedence so far:

 

1. Minox HG 10x43

2. Vortex Razor 10x42

3. Kahles 10x42

 

I had even considered the Pentax 10x43 DCF SP and Fujinon CD but I have a little extra money and feel like it may be worth it in this instance.

 

I live in Texas and will be using these for deer hunting as well as deer census surveys (night spotlighting). I have read the recent reviews from members of this forum on each of these listed. I also spoke to someone at binoculars.com who highly recommended the vortex razors as the best bang for the buck.

 

Please provide me with your opinions if you have had a chance to look through and/or compare these.

 

TIA

 

 

**Edit: I spoke with someone at Minox USA and the Gene person mentioned in other posts no longer works with Minox USA. Another issue of concern for me is that they only have a limited lifetime warranty whereas others such as Swaro and Vortex have an unconditional warranty (I believe).



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I would skip the Fujinon CD as they only advertise light transmission at 80%+.

The Pentax DCF SP has always been a great binocular, however, in Feb. 2007 Pentax will be offering the DCF ED, which should have even better optics than the SP.

Of the top three that you have listed I would cast my vote for the Minox HG. Minox was a subsidiary of the Leica Company, but went independent approx. two years ago. They are putting out some exceptional products. People that own them say that they are built like a tank!

I have heard very good things about Kales, but, have never seen any for sale in my neck of the woods, so, I have not been able to look thru any.

The Vortex Razor is a top-of-the-line Japanese binocular. They are popular in birding circles, but, I haven't heard a whole lot about them from hunters.



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I spoke to someone at Vortex regarding their product and I have to say the warranty and return policy pulls alot of weight for me. I am pretty close to ordering both the Minox HG and the Vortex Razor to try them out and do some comparison tests.
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Vortex and Eagle are one and the same. Since they have both the Minox HG and the Vortex Razor that should make things easy for you.

We would be grateful to hear about your tests, on these two excellent products.

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There was some problem with extremely siff focus knobs on some Vortex models, so be sure to evaluate that first thing.

I have a cheap 8x pair that is OK most times, but the lubricant in the focus mechanism stiffens a lot in the cold.

Zeiss are on sale at least a few more days, not sure of 2007. Search the net and you can get 10x40 Zeiss for 800.  Actually, the SWFA price is also 800
http://www.riflescopes.com/departments/207/binoculars/zeiss_ binoculars/zeiss_conquest_binoculars.htm

Its not Zeiss Victory, but probably better than a $300 pair. The Pentax is OK, have seen it.


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I talked to vortex about the stiff focus and they told me it was an issue with their initial shipments of them but have since corrected it. A good friend suggested the Victory Conquest as well but I went ahead and ordered the Minox HG and the Vortex Razors. I just thought that with the Zeiss I would be paying for the name and the HGs should be comparable to the big 3 high end glass. Anyway....they should be in next week.
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ahuebel,

I own both the Kahles 10X42 and the Vortex Razor, but the latter in 8X42, not 10X42.  I'm a hunter, not a birdwatcher, so maybe my experience, FWIW, may be of value to you.  First of all, since you stated you'd be doing a lot of nighttime deer surveys, I'd highly suggest you go with 8X42 rather than 10X because of the larger exit pupil resulting in greater perceived brightness and larger FOV, but I digress.

 

The Kahles is a great bino at a good price, but even given the difference in magnification, in my humble opinion, the Vortex Razor has noticeably better optics in terms of resolution, sharpness, edge-to edge clarity, chromatic aberration, and color rendition, and they cost slightly less than the Kahles.  They're also incredibly bright, have a huge 410' FOV (7.8 deg) and a huge depth of field as well.  I've never looked through a 10X42 Razor, and in fact, the 8X42 Razor is the only Vortex bino I've ever even seen in person, but I can tell you the 8X42 Razor's optics equal or slightly exceed my Leica Trinovid 8X50's optics by any measure, at half the price.  They're that good!  I'd be hard pressed to recommend a bino in any price range offering a better performance: $ ratio.  Add the unconditional lifetime warranty, and I simply think the Razor is a better value overall.  Like Nikon, the Razor and a couple of their other high-end binos are made in Japan, but their low-end glass is made in China.  Again, I've never seen their Chinese-made glass, but I steer clear of Chinese optics in general.  Yes, the Razor does have a stiff focuser, at least mine does, which is my only real criticism.  It is noticeably stiffer than other binos I've used, but I didn't personally find it to be too cumbersome and the huge depth of field means you don't have to fool with the knob as much.  I've heard Vortex has corrected this in later models, so this may no longer be the case.  Over time, I hardly notice this anymore due to the superb optics.  Actually, I have another objection -- SWFA doesn't carry Vortex at present.  As a repeat SWFA customer, I hope some day they will.  Although Vortex is owned by the same folks who started Eagle, they aren't sold exclusively through them.  A handful of retailers carry Vortex, but since it's a fairly new brand, most people have never heard of them and there aren't a bunch of retail stores where you can go look at them. 

 

I've looked through only one Minox HG and I recall it being optically excellent as well.  My only objection to the HG is the models I'd be interested in have very narrow FOV, and decent FOV is very important to me in a hunting bino.  For example, the Minox 8.5 X 43 offers only 320' FOV and the 8.5 X 52 only 289'.  In comparison, the Razor 8X has a full 90' & 121' more FOV, respectively!  The Kahles has only slightly more FOV than the Minox.  In the 10X models, though, they're all fairly close in terms of FOV.

 

I hope this was helpful.  They're all good, so I'm sure you'd be happy with whichever you choose, but again, regardless of which brand you choose, if I were you, I'd highly consider going with 8X instead of 10X based on the criteria you gave.

 

Good luck with your decision!

 

(EDIT: When I started my post, you hadn't posted your most recent reply)



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Wow...thanks for the post. I have to say I was a bit nervous to read on. I could only imagine a post like, "...you made a huge mistake not getting the zeiss conquest" :). Anyway, I honestly have no real experience with decent binoculars while hunting. In fact, I really havent owned a pair of binoculars, I just borrow some or use a rifle scope (not even a great one at that). So I cannot say how much the FOV will effect me. I do know that many times I hunt pastures and will be looking at 300 yds. I have always had a problem judging points and overall rack mass on whitetail so that is why I went with the 10x.

 

In many ways I think at this level of bino, while not top of the line, they are all comparable and many times it comes down to personal preference. I did notice that SWFA does not carry vortex so I bought them from binoculars.com. They sent a return shipping label with my order so I could send back the pair I do not want for full credit.

 

On another note, my uncle is looking at some vario optics minox. Specifically the 8.5-14x40 with the ED glass. That seems to be a nice feature. You can get the FOV with the 8.5 but if you need to see more details you can switch to the 14x. Anyone have any experience with those?

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ahuebel,

Although a really good 10X bino can help you in judging antlers at long distance, sometimes the additional brightness of the 8X makes up for your ability to discern detail in low light.  Since you said you'd be doing a lot of nighttime viewing, that would be a concern to me.  When you get into the really good stuff, I think you'd be surprised at how much long distance detail you can see with 8X or even 7X.  Plus, an extra-wide FOV makes viewing more relaxed, and you'll be able to pick up game movement more easily by being able to scan a wider field at once.  In addition, 8X binos, all else being equal, will have a deeper field without having to refocus and you can hold the image a little steadier than at 10X, which can also help you in discerning detail.  Having used both 8X and 10X glasses extensively in hunting conditions, I've found those advantages more than make up for the lower magnification.  Just something to think about.

 

I've never tried variable power binos.  Even though I can see some advantages, to me the additional cost and mechanical complexity would outweigh the advantages, but again, I've never actually used one.  I'd imagine there would have to be optical compromises made in such a design, and anything with more moving parts is more prone to failure, however rare such occurrences might be.



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Also realize those FOV numbers are at 1000yds.  In real world viewing distances the difference is not nearly so dramatic. I've had a good bit of time now to use the Minlx 8.5X52's and haven't felt limited in FOV at all.  I did find some Audobon tethered lens caps for $7 that work great. 
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ahuebel, please give us a report on the Vortex, I am curious and not heard that much on Vortex. I had a Vortex Spitfire 10x32 for a few days and it was awful. The high end should be OK.
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Originally posted by mwyates mwyates wrote:

Also realize those FOV numbers are at 1000yds.  In real world viewing distances the difference is not nearly so dramatic. I've had a good bit of time now to use the Minlx 8.5X52's and haven't felt limited in FOV at all. 

 

This is correct, but I look at it this way:  at 100 yards, the difference in FOV is 10'; at 300 and 400 yards, distances I frequently scan for big game, the difference is 30' and 40' respectively.  Depending on your personal use, that may not be much difference.  To me, it's pretty significant.  As a hard-core hunter, I use my riflescope for aiming at game and my binos for searching for game.  The more FOV I have available to me, the more “relaxed” the view, and the more efficient I am at detecting movement.  All else being equal, I believe there's no such thing as too much FOV.  If I'm not sacrificing something else in the process, I want the most FOV possible -- more is always better.  Don't get me wrong, I'd be absolutely thrilled with any of the 3 binos mentioned, but when it comes down to making a decision on one, if I give up nothing in terms of optics, price, ergonomics, etc., I'll take the bino with the most FOV, even if the difference is slight.  However, the original post was concerning the 10X versions of these fine binos, where the FOV difference between the 3 was basically insignificant.

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The binocs will be in my hands tomorrow night and I'll take them hunting this weekend. I was curious though...I am also going to be getting a new rifle and scope. In researching scopes I have come to realize that at some point scopes provide the ability to actually see under almost no-light conditions. Using for example the Schmidt & Bender 3-10x50 or x56. Would I be able to see anything by moonlight with my binoculars? I do plan on hunting ferral hogs at night.

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As Rifle Dude suggested, I think you will be far better off with a 8 or 8.5 bino with at least a 42mm objective than a 10x bino. Most people have a more difficult time holding a 10x steady which will result in a blurred image. This will be magnified as you glass in failing light.
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Quote Would I be able to see anything by moonlight with my binoculars? I do plan on hunting ferral hogs at night.

 

Most certainly. I have an enjoyable time taking both of my Meoptas out at night to see how clearly I can see the treeline behind my house. It is quite an eye opening experience just how much good quality binoculars are able to show you even under extremely low light conditions.

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I hate to sink you boats, but low power binoculars (6x, 7x, 8x) with large lenses (42, 50, 56 mm) work better in low light than high power binoculars such as 10x or 12x. Apparently, the handshake effect is amplified by the darkness and you end-up seeing less detail with the high power binoculars. This is the conclusion of several studies that i've read. The military uses 6x30, 7x50, and 7x40 with a good reason. The 10x42 is a good all-rounder, but i would have chosen a 7x42 or an 8x42 for night hunting.

Last night it was full moon outside and i had a barred owl making noises by the barn. I went out to see it. I took a 6x30 Fujinon, a 7x42 Zeiss, and a 10x50 Leica with me. The 6x30 and the 7x42 showed me the most detail.



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I agree with anweis; unless you use a tripod for your binocs.  Also, binoculars are not night vision scopes; on a bright night they are useful, but most nights, .....well, dark is dark.  You might be able to look at a highlighted tree line, but see a hog, in the woods?   No way.
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Well the vast majority of my binocular use will be hunting during legal hours. Beyond that I will do some spotlight deer census surveys, and in addition, I'll try some moonlight hog or varmint hunting over some corn or something else. At any rate, I'll have them in hand tonight and be able to hunt with them this weekend. I REALLY appreciate all the input and will be posting some updates next week.
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There has always been general principles at work in optics, whether it's binoculars, spotting scopes or riflescopes, etc.

Power affects brightness. The lower the power the brighter the image. Brightness is also affected by objective size, exit pupil, types of coatings, and types of prisms.

The purpose of the objectives is to gather incoming light. The larger the objective's diameter the more light the binoculars gather and the brighter the image.

The FUN part is finding the "right" combination of power and objective size, etc. to get the particular job done, for each and every application. This is why there is such an enormous variety of sport optics on the market today. No two people are alike. What works for one person may not be just right for another.

The difficult part, as well as the educational part, is the trial and error, so to speak, of finding, purchasing and testing optics that WE are satisfied with "individually".

For most of us, this is going to involve investing both our time as well as our money. For some of us it will be enjoyable, but, for some, it might be less than satisfactory. Live and learn!

No one wants to purchase an automobile that turns out to be a lemon, and no one wants to spend money on binoculars that are going to be a disappointment. Sometimes it's all part of the experience.


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Quote For most of us, this is going to involve investing both our time as well as our money. For some of us it will be enjoyable, but, for some, it might be less than satisfactory. Live and learn!

 

Excellent point and post in general. Binoculars are such an individual choice because we are all looking for something different.

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I thought I'd give a little update even though I haven't been able to field test them yet.

 

So far I am impressed with the vortex. I like their warranty & customer service, their packaging, the focus (had no issues with stiffness), the overall look and feel. The construction as a whole is superior (IMO). The right eye focus is done by pulling back on the center focus know, as opposed to the minox which is at the right eye twist up.

 

The Minox is sleek, small, and light, which is nice. Looking through them at 10pm around areas partially lit by streetlights, the Minox may have been slightly brighter but I don't know that it is fair to say much right now without field testing them.

 

If the Minox turn out to be clearly an optical superior to the vortex, I will probably go with them, but if it is close, I will have a hard time turning the Vortex away.

 

Although there was one other issue I was suprised to see. My package had been on my back patio for a few hours and it was somewhat cool (low 50s). When I brought them in and opened them, the front lenses on the minox fogged up considerably. The votex did some but not nearly as much. Not sure if that is normal or not. It won't be too cold this weekend but it should be cold enough to test the fog resistance.

 

**Edit: I left a message at Minox USA and they called me back regarding the fog issue. I did not realize the whole fog "proof" characteristic only applies to the inside of the lenses. I still don't know why the Vortex, subjected to the same temperature changes, did not fog (or did so minimally).



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I have decided to keep the Vortex Razors. Optically, the vortex razor 10x42 and the minox HG 10x43 were extremely close. If I had to pick an optically superior binocular I guess I would say the minox HG but I have a feeling given to 10 different people to view and decide, the choice would be split. Here are a few personal opinions that made my decision

 

Vortex:

1. Optically almost identical

2. Lifetime unconditional warranty

3. Tethered objective lens caps

4. Seemed more rugged/well built

5. Twist-up eye cups went out further and had more intermediate points. This wasn't a major thing but it seemed the further out the better I saw.

6. 70.00 cheaper than HG

 

Minox HG:

1. Lighter and smaller which made them easier to carry

2. Optically, perhaps slightly crisper images

3. Focus knob was smoother (although both were easily turnable)

 

Cons:

1. Prefered the right eye focus of the vortex (although this is a minor point)

2. Did not have objective lens covers

3. No unconditional warranty

 

 

With both binoculars I was able to see during twilight hours... even by moonlight

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Where did you buy the Vortex at?  I haven't heard about these.  I had a pair of Minox in 8x32 and loved them for their size and weight and I thought they were very clear for the money.  What kind of accessories come with the Vortex.  Where is their factory located at in the US?  I have been looking at the big 3 (Leica, Swarovski, Zeiss and the Nikon LX L) and I have yet to make up my mind.  I am looking at something either new or used for under $1000.  Thanks
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Vortex's factory is in wisconsin I believe and I have spoken with them on the phone a couple of times. Very personable and really seem to tout their warranty. The vortex came with a couple more accessories than did the Minox. Aside from the carrying case, they had a silk lens cloth and some extra twist up pieces with degrees on them (not sure what that is for exactly). I bought both from binoculars.com and the guy I talked to threw in the vortex harness for free. Actually he originally threw in a zuhmell (spelling?) harness, but after I decided to go with vortex as one of my options, I asked for the vortex harness and so I ended up getting both harnesses (and a return shipping label). So this weekend a hunting buddy and I kept trading off binoculars, testing them out. We both came to the same conclusion, him moreso for the price alone (which was actually less than 10% but still it is a factor).

 

Don't get me wrong, the Minox 10x43 HGs were very nice, just comparatively I couldn't select them over the vortex for the reasons listed above. They may even be optically better but it is so marginal, with all things considered, I prefered the vortex razor.

 

The one thing I wouldn't have minded was to compare some 8x42 to the 10x42 for reasons some mentioned in previous posts. I am quite happy with the 10x so far and was quite pleased with the clarity and the stability, due to the extra weight, of the vortex. 

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Originally posted by ahuebel ahuebel wrote:

Vortex's factory is in wisconsin I believe

Correct, their sales, service, and design group are in Middleton, WI, manufacturing in Japan.  I agree with you concerning their people -- I've talked with them on several occasions, and they couldn't have been more helpful or friendly (specifically Tim).  This gave me a good feeling about their lifetime warranty, as any warranty is only as good as the people backing it up.

 

Originally posted by ahuebel ahuebel wrote:

Aside from the carrying case, they had a silk lens cloth and some extra twist up pieces with degrees on them (not sure what that is for exactly).

Those are the optional eyecups with side shields to block stray light from the side, improving perceived brightness.  They work well, but I found their shape to be a bit uncomfortable -- to me.  Plus the rainguard doesn't fit the side shield eyecups very well, so I stayed with the standard eyecups.  The degrees markings are just reference marks for rotating both eyecups at the same angle and remembering what angle fits your eye socket the best.

 

Originally posted by ahuebel ahuebel wrote:

Don't get me wrong, the Minox 10x43 HGs were very nice, just comparatively I couldn't select them over the vortex for the reasons listed above. They may even be optically better but it is so marginal, with all things considered, I prefered the vortex razor.  The one thing I wouldn't have minded was to compare some 8x42 to the 10x42 for reasons some mentioned in previous posts. I am quite happy with the 10x so far and was quite pleased with the clarity and the stability, due to the extra weight, of the vortex. 

You couldn't go wrong with either binocular.

Pertaining to the 8X42 vs. 10X42 comparison, as stated earlier, if brightness is very important to you, remember, with any given binocular of the same objective lens diameter, the 8X version of that binocular will be brighter than the 10X, due to the larger exit pupil (not to mention, the 8X will have wider FOV).  As far as brightness is concerned, my Razor 8X42 is as bright as any comparable bino I've seen.

 

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