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Ok guys, I need your help. I'm picking up a new stick tomorrow in .300 Wby. and need to find a die set for it. I'm looking for a set with a neck sizer that I can bump the shoulder just a hair to make chambering easier. I was looking at something like a Lee collet neck sizer, but I don't know if they work that way or not. I basically want to neck size only, but then they chamber too hard. If I could just bump the shoulder, to make them chamber better, and not have necks that are crooked, or have added runout I would be happier than a pig............................uh, yeah, well you know. Any suggestions?
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Redding Deluxe Die set has all three dies, FL, Neck and bullet seater. In my opinion, Redding makes the best dies.
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Why are you not staying with the 270 caliber?
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They don't make it in the rifle I bought. I still have one anyway. It's not like I'll be without one. I always wanted a .300 Wby. Now I have one. This one is also like my old rifle, except with more punch, and not so heavy. I wish I could have kept the old rifle though. It's like losing a dear friend.

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I'll check them out Roy. I was kind of thinking of something along those lines.
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Hey trigger
 
If it were me I would get the Lee Collet Neck Sizer available from M-I-D-W-A-Y, it comes in a 2 die set with the Collet Die and the Lee Seater.  Only $25.00 and there are better seaters but the Lee Collet Neck Sizer is tough to beat, no lube in the neck and does not create any runout.
 
Then get the Redding Body Die from the same place for $24.00 and you can push the shoulder back and resize the case body whenever you need to.  When you want to put out the extra money then get the Redding Competition Seater for $85.00 and you will be able to make very straight ammo (if your neck thickness is good).
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Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

Hey trigger
 
If it were me I would get the Lee Collet Neck Sizer available from M-I-D-W-A-Y, it comes in a 2 die set with the Collet Die and the Lee Seater.  Only $25.00 and there are better seaters but the Lee Collet Neck Sizer is tough to beat, no lube in the neck and does not create any runout.
 
Then get the Redding Body Die from the same place for $24.00 and you can push the shoulder back and resize the case body whenever you need to.  When you want to put out the extra money then get the Redding Competition Seater for $85.00 and you will be able to make very straight ammo (if your neck thickness is good).
 This is a really good answer.
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After reading on the body die, it looks like what I'm after. I hope I can adjust it to just bump back the shoulder a bit, and not resize too much. Might be the ticket.
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Would it be to my benefit to add a Lee factory crimp die in the order too? I don't know if it helps for bullets without a cannelure, but I may shoot some Hornady SST with a cannelure too.
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 If your going to be seating bullets specfically for that rifle the cannalure may not match up with the casing mouth. I'd say don't get it.
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Would it be to my benefit to add a Lee factory crimp die in the order too? I don't know if it helps for bullets without a cannelure, but I may shoot some Hornady SST with a cannelure too.


Dont crimp!  you will most likely seat those bullets out further than can be crimped anyway.....you normally only crimp bullets for tube magazine type guns and pistols?
I've heard some guys do it for hard kickers.....but?
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ask john barsness what he thinks. he is considered a 300wby expert in the real world. in general wby's as you know have excessive free bore so you will want to seat the bullets out as far as the mag will allow.
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 I'm gonna be the devil's advocate here and tell you that a light crimp can often perform wonders for accuracy, even if it occurs elswhere on the bullet than in the cannellure. Some claim it will "deform" the bullet, but so what?  It does so uniformly around the circumference and far less than swaging a deep cannelure into it.
 Consistency in bullet pull is an important factor in accuracy, and sometimes a crimp can help to attain that consistency.
 Also, I happen to think that a .300 Weatherby magnum falls into the heavy kicker catagory, and since it is a pure hunting caliber, crimping is that much more appropriate to it for rough field handling in faraway lands.
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 Ain't nothing devilish about that.  I NEVER dismiss an option if it will cure my problem or better my results.
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Nope I will try anything at least once.....well maybe not anything?
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Would it be to my benefit to add a Lee factory crimp die in the order too? I don't know if it helps for bullets without a cannelure, but I may shoot some Hornady SST with a cannelure too.
 
ABSOLUTELY! 
 
Did I sound positive enough?  Let me try again......ABSOLUTELY!
 
I use a Lee Factory Crimp on every caliber I reload for and that is available in that caliber.  It is anecdotal and non-conclusive but I have done 3 tests in 3 different calibers/guns with loaded-at-the-same-time / shot-at-the-same-time loads and averaging all 3 the velocity increased ~10 fps and the group size decreased ~1/8".   These are the only pics I can find
 
Does the LFCD always improve accuracy?  Probably not.  Does the LFCD ever decrease accuracy? Not IME.
 
I do not load any bullets with cannelures and the LFCD does not need a cannelure to crimp into.  It is absolutely foolproof (which helps me a lot) and you don't have to worry about your bullet moving from recoil, compressed loads or mishandling.  You can set the crimp for light, medium or heavy by watching how far the gaps close between the collet on the top
 
They're cheap.  Try one.
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I tried a Lee sizer for my 6.5-284 and my .270WSM with dismal results.  The same thing happend for both rifles: about three out of 20 rounds wouldn't chamber and of the ones that would, 50% were noticeably more difficult to close the bolt.  I went back to RCBS and the problem was solved.
Could it be that the Lee just doesn't like the short, stubby cases?Whacko
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Originally posted by huff143 huff143 wrote:

I tried a Lee sizer for my 6.5-284 and my .270WSM with dismal results.  The same thing happend for both rifles: about three out of 20 rounds wouldn't chamber and of the ones that would, 50% were noticeably more difficult to close the bolt.  I went back to RCBS and the problem was solved.
Could it be that the Lee just doesn't like the short, stubby cases?Whacko
 It could be any number of things. You need to call Lee Precision and tell them about your situation before you take a monetary loss on their products. If you paid for them, they need to work properly for you!
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Originally posted by huff143 huff143 wrote:

I tried a Lee sizer for my 6.5-284 and my .270WSM with dismal results.  The same thing happend for both rifles: about three out of 20 rounds wouldn't chamber and of the ones that would, 50% were noticeably more difficult to close the bolt.  I went back to RCBS and the problem was solved.
Could it be that the Lee just doesn't like the short, stubby cases?Whacko
 
Did you have a regular Lee full length die with the expander ball?
Did you measure the headspace and set your die so that it would push the shoulder back a minimal amount?
Was it the Lee Collet Neck Sizer?
If it was the Lee Collet Neck Sizer then how did you size the case body and push the shoulder back to relieve the crush fit?
 
I use Lee Collet Neck Sizers along with a Redding Body Die to reload for over 40 different rifles from 222 to 338 RUM and can make them work in all of them.  One of them is a 300 WSM and the minimal body taper and high pressures make them a little more difficult than most to resize for.


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Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

Originally posted by huff143 huff143 wrote:

I tried a Lee sizer for my 6.5-284 and my .270WSM with dismal results.  The same thing happend for both rifles: about three out of 20 rounds wouldn't chamber and of the ones that would, 50% were noticeably more difficult to close the bolt.  I went back to RCBS and the problem was solved.
Could it be that the Lee just doesn't like the short, stubby cases?Whacko
 
Did you have a regular Lee full length die with the expander ball?
Did you measure the headspace and set your die so that it would push the shoulder back a minimal amount?
Was it the Lee Collet Neck Sizer?
If it was the Lee Collet Neck Sizer then how did you size the case body and push the shoulder back to relieve the crush fit?
 
I use Lee Collet Neck Sizers along with a Redding Body Die to reload for over 40 different rifles from 222 to 338 RUM and can make them work in all of them.  One of them is a 300 WSM and the minimal body taper and high pressures make them a little more difficult than most to resize for.
 
My mistake!Bucky  It's the FL set.  I just got off Lee's site, and they don't even make the neck sizer for 270 short mags, just 270win. 
Does this mean I have to stick with a full length sizer?
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Originally posted by huff143 huff143 wrote:

My mistake!Bucky  It's the FL set.  I just got off Lee's site, and they don't even make the neck sizer for 270 short mags, just 270win. 
Does this mean I have to stick with a full length sizer?
 
Then that leaves you with a couple of choices for sizing without the FL die with the expander.
 
Redding bushing dies size the neck by using a bushing (which you choose the diameter of) to size the outside of the case neck.  You take the expander it comes with out.  If you use a bushing die with the expander in then you might as well use the FL die.  There are instructions for choosing the bushing size but it boils down to determining your brass neck thickness:
  1. Measure the outside neck diameter of a loaded round (example on a 270 WSM it might be .305")
  2. Subtract the amount of bullet grip you want (in this example choose .003" so the math would be .305"-.003"=.302")

If you change brass then you will have to recalculate since brass neck thickness varies.  You can get a .303" bushing also if you want to experiment with a .002" bullet grip.  The bushing will size the outside of the neck to those dimensions (minus springback which will vary according to how soft your brass is).  You will get better results than using a FL/Expander die but your results will get much better if you neck turn for consistant neck thickness since the bushing will push all the neck thickness variances to the inside of the neck.

OR, you can just remove the expander from your FL die.  This may give you excessive bullet grip and make the bullets harder to seat which will lead to runout and inconsistant seating depth, it may not.  Take the expander out and size a case and see what the outside neck diameter is.  Then seat a bullet and measure the outside neck diameter again.  Subtract the two and that will give you the amount of bullet grip.  Example:
  1. Outside neck diameter after sizing with FL die sans expander .301"
  2. Outside neck diameter after seating bullet .305"
  3. Subtract the two and you have .004" bullet grip with that FL die sans expander and with that particular brass manufacturer and that particular box of brass

You could be pleasantly surprised and have a decent bullet grip less than .004" in which case take the expander out permanently, beat it with a hammer, bend it with a pair of pliers, grind it with a grinder, take it out in the yard and piss on it and then go bury it (I don't like expanders Wink)!  Again you will have better results if you learn to outside neck turn and don't push all your neck inconsistancies to the inside and with the added benefit of being able to turn your neck thickness to the exact thickness you need to get the exact bullet grip you want.

Perhaps Lee will make you a 270WSM Lee Collet Neck Sizer if you contact them.

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Thank you once again for your valuable info! 
 
Will I still need to turn the outside of the neck if I can get a Lee neck sizer made?
 
I'm going to send Lee an email right now to see if they do it.  If not, I'll remove the expander from my existing die.


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Hey huff
 
No, you will not need to neck turn if you get the Lee Collet Neck Sizer.  The Lee Collet uses the mandrel on the inside of the neck so the brass thickness variances end up on the outside of the neck where they do not create as much of a problem.
 
Good luck with Lee.
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