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Hello to all on OT..been lurking awhile and decided to join up. 
 
I am looking for a new scope for my .270  I hunt WT deer about 99.5% of the time.  I don't think I will shoot less than 250 yards 95% of the time.  I would like an all around scope that I can use hunting WT and perhaps one day an elk hunt.
 
I have read a bunch of stuff about the Leupy vx3 on here.  Are they not a good hunting scope?  I see that I can find them on sale bcs of the newer versions about to be released. 
 
Of the Leupold, I like the 4.5-14x50 in the 30mm tube. 
I like the Nikon Monarch.
I have been looking at the Zeiss Conquest but I don't know much about it.
 
 
lastly, would you take the 30mm tube over the 1 inch??
 
sorry for all the questions, it's been 15 years since I bought a scope
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the vx3 is not a bad scope, the concensus among this forum is that leupold prices dont match the products performance level at there current retail prices. the nikon monarch is one of my faves i have two of them on my deer rifles they are nice, the zeiss conquest is also a nice scope, i feel when its darker out the zeiss is better than the other two scopes you mentioned. as far as 30mm goes horse a piece you pay more for 30mm and it wont enhance the performance of the scope. any of the three scopes you mentioned would server you well, how much do you want to spend?? that could add some other options depending on how much you want to spend

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the consensus among this forum is that leupold prices dont match the products performance level at ther prices
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So for you pay, you don't get that much scope?
 
Is 525 a good price for that scope?  Looking around I found a 2.5-10x50 Nikon for about 425.  How do these compare?
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Originally posted by Palehorse Palehorse wrote:

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the consensus among this forum is that leupold prices dont match the products performance level at ther prices
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you think thats bad read some of meathead's posts
what does that have to do with the question any way?


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I know where you stand on the subject, but it hard for a first time reader to comprehend.
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How do you edit posts? Is the edit button only available to Jedi?
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after 50 posts i believe you will be able to do that on your posts
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okay, back on topic now..Big Grin

 
For a hunting rifle, what you guys think
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3x9's will generally cost less and also be able to handle about 95% of all the hunting situations you will come across, if you need more thats fine, 4x14 will work too.
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There are a lot of good bargains in the 3X9 field of scopes!! 
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Zeiss Conquest 2.5-8x32 for $350 or second choice would be Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9x40 for $250.
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not really looking for any objective smaller than 44mm
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do you plan to hunt in darker conditions??
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yes,  I hunt the early mornings and late afternoons.  Also hunt in river/creek bottoms with plenty of cover
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how much do you want to spend again??
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TTL out the door....750 is my max

 

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Remington's Rugers and Winchesters are OK  if you have to go budget but there is better. I have built 4 customs on Mauser actions and found the Lother Walther barrel shoots nice but you have to go through the hassle of building. I get a consistant 1/2" at 100 yds. ( sometimes touching ) with a 270 win. I go through lots of brass and select the best, reload my own ammo. For long range and I were going to choose 1 rifle already built,  it would be a Kimber Classic Select 270 Win. It is a nice rifle, well built and shoots fine. Warne  Maxima rings and base. In addition you need some nice tuned reloads with premium brass (it is important) like Nosler Custom and bullets like Nosler Accubond or Sierra GameKing. If all is done well you can reach out and touch nicely. I have a 400 yard range on my yard where I live and shoot a lot. Most of my deer shots are long also. Trigger has to be light and you pull it like you don't know when it is going to fire.
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I have the gun...just needing a scope
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Welcome to OT, zwbonner!
 
Based on your stated specs and budget, I would recommend you look at the following scopes (not necessarily in order of preference):
 
 
I listed only those scopes I can recommend based on personal experience with those lines/individual models.  There are undoubtedly more excellent options within your stated price range.  There are also several Leupold VX-3 scopes that would fit the bill as well, but as was stated earlier, unless you have a specific reticle style in mind that only Leupold offers or you like the compactness or finish of a specific model, I think the scopes above will give you a better performance:$ ratio. 
 
I have to question why you absolutely must have an objective diameter 44mm and larger however.  Unless you have the magnification set higher than 6X, you will gain absolutely no benefit from the larger objective, because your eye cannot use an exit pupil larger than 7mm (E.P. = Objective dia in mm / magnification).  For that matter, in reality, you won't gain much benefit from the larger objective until you get beyond 8X because unless you're a teenager, most adult eyes dilate to around 5mm, maybe 6mm max in low light.  Keep in mind that as you turn up the magnification, the image becomes dimmer.  I don't know about you, but at first and last light, there's not enough light to shoot at truly "long range" and still adequately identify the target, so I seldom can use more than about 6X in poor light conditions anyway.  You say you will be shooting at 250+ yards 95% of the timeWOW!  You must be hunting only in tower blinds in wide open country and never do any spot and stalk hunting.  I find that incredible, given that I live in Texas as well and after 35 years of deer hunting, I can only think of 2 shots at deer that were beyond 200 yards, even considering the times I've hunted senderos and powerline right-of-ways.  The average distance the vast majority of deer are shot at in all of N. America is less than 100 yards.  In the lowest light, your max realistic range will be more like 75 yards if you are evaluating antlers through the scope.  Going with a more reasonable objective diameter of, say, 42mm max allows the scope to be mounted lower, the rifle will be less top-heavy for better handling qualities, the rifle fits in scabbards easier, the scope has less tendency to snag on brush in the thick stuff, and the scope is physically lighter and more compact.  On top of all that, you save $, so you can get higher quality optics for less.  Don't get hung up on the "bigger is better" mentality.  That also applies to magnification.  In my opinion, good quality scopes of more modest size and power make the best all-around hunting scopes.  You really don't need more than 14X for any but the most extreme long range big game hunting, and in reality, you can get by just fine with 9X or 10X for most hunting in North America.  The problem with too much magnification on the top end is that means you sacrifice field of view on the low end.  Wide FOV is helpful for the times when you have to make a fast shot at moving game.  I personally don't like having less than 4X on the low end. 


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I going a little different route.... you get better bang for your buck with SWFA's samplelist.com.  here are a few great scopes!
 
5320 Kahles 3-9x42 American Hunter 51902, Matte finish, one inch tube, plex reticle, fast focus eye piece, ring marks, multiple scratches and dings on tube. $792.00 $449.95
6234 Kahles 3-10x50 Helia CL Multizero 51723, Matte finish, 1" tube, plex reticle, side focus, fast focus eye piece, Allows you to zero your scope at five different ranges, no ring marks, close to new condition. $1,315.00 $749.95
4956 Kahles 3.5-10x50 American Hunter Matte finish, one inch tube, plex reticle, fast focus eye piece, ring marks. $806.00 $599.95
3793 Swarovski 3-9x36 American Light Weight 52040, Matte finish, one inch tube, plex reticle, fast focus eye piece, resettable windage & elevation, light ring marks. $887.00 $649.95
9186 Swarovski 3-10x42 American 52031, Matte finish, muzzleloading reticle, 1" tube, fast focus eye piece, like new condition $1,054.00 $799.95
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Yes, Todd is right on.  My suggestions assumed that you are only looking at new scopes.  If you're willing to consider "like new" or slightly used scopes, the Sample List is an excellent resource to find bargains on scopes that would ordinarily be beyond your stated budget.
 
 
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Thanks for your input Rifledude...just asking though, but some of those scopes you have listed are 475...I have found some leupolds for 500.  Are the others "better perfomance" scopes. 
 
I was under the impression that Leupold was about the best hunting scopes on the market.  I think I will now open my options to other brands.
 
I have a 44 mm on my current setup and just have become accustomed to it.  I looked at some 40 mm and just really didn't like the looks of it.
 
I'm not sure if I was clear enough about my shooting.  I very seldom shoot OVER 250 yards.  I just want the capability there since this is my only hunting rifle
 
 
I will look closer at these other mentioned scopes tonight after the kiddos go to bed....
 
Can't believe this....but it is snowing in Southeast TX right now!!!  Man am I jealous of you guys in the north 
 
 
 
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