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I’m looking for a new scope in the $425-$525 range for deer hunting, possibly up to 400 yards, but likely 300 or less. I want something that has good low-light capabilities for shooting within that range in very early/late light. I do not want to crank on turrets and I’m comfortable with holding over, so optical qualities govern here.

The three scopes I’m considering off the top of my head are:

Bushnell Elite 4500, 2.5-10 x 40

Meopta MeoPro, 3-9 x 42

Leupold VX-R, 3-9 x 40

I’ve considered the Vortex Viper line, but I don’t like the reticles. Zeiss is out due to bad experience with the Terra 3X line and the new Conquest HD line is out of budget.

OK guys, let me have it…

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I would pick the VX-r if only for the illumination system.  It is excellent and if low light is a priority, that puts it at the top IMO. 
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I would pick the VX-r if only for the illumination system.  It is excellent and if low light is a priority, that puts it at the top IMO. 

I concur. I really like mine. 
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Thanks guys.

Is the Leupy glass really on par with the others?
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I'd plump for the Meopta myself. Have 1, thinking of another...
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SII Big Sky

Sightron 3-12x42 SII Big Sky Riflescope
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Stock # - SIIB31242
  • Matte
  • Duplex
  • 1"
  • ExacTrack
  • All Weather Construction
  • Finger Adjustable Resettable Windage & Elevation
  • ZACT-7 Revcoat Multi-Coating
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Magnification:3-12x
Objective Lens (mm):42
Field of View (ft @ 100yds):31.9 - 8
Eye Relief (in):3.9 - 4.2
Reticle Type:Duplex
Click Value (@ 100yds):1/4 MOA
Minutes Per Revolution:15 MOA
W/E Travel (@ 100yds):70 MOA
Knob Style:Hunting (Resettable)
Parallax:Fixed at 100yds
Finish:Matte Black
Waterproof:Yes
Fully Multi Coated:Yes (Zact-7 TM 7-Layer)
Weight (oz):13.4
Length (in):12.56
Tube Diameter:1 inch
Sunshade:No
Lens Cover Included:Yes
Illuminated Reticle:No
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This is the best deal for the money in my humble mind.  The glass is on par with Swarovski.

The HHR is perfect for you. Hunter Hold oveR


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Boy, my s2 big sky doesnt seem on par with my swaro. Its a good scope, but is much similar to the scopes in its direct price range imo. But i do really like the big skys. Excellent value imo.

The meopro probably does habe slightly better glass than the vx-r, but not by much. But the illumination system in the vx-r more than makes up for it imo. For low light shooting the vx-r is very good because of that.
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The el cheapo swaro not the high end... 

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So we're saying that the Sightron is roughly on level with the meopro, I'll order it this AM. Is my interpretation correct?
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Ordered the Sightron. The Sightron SII Big Sky was one of Ilya's recommendations after I sent him my Zeiss Terra 3X to review, and at $350 for that scope, it seem like a good bargain.
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They are good scopes for sure.  Good choice. 
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I got the SII Big Sky this morning. (ordered thursday)

The scope was reasonably well packed and arrived safely. Externally, there are absolutely NO marks on the scope whatsoever. Other than any original padding that would’ve been in the box when it was shipped, you’d never know that the scope had been touched.

At first glance, (pun intended) the glass looks very good, but I’ll know more when I get home and have a chance to compare it to my Leupold VX II, 3-9x40. I’ll also be looking closely at how visible the reticle is in low light as the HHR crosshairs are very fine.

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Awesome.

Consider the ability to distinguish different distances and the same colors and the edge of tree branches at varying distances.   Not just brightness and darkness... Discriminate. 
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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

The el cheapo swaro not the high end... 


There's no such thing, though I guess that's a relative term in the Swaro realm. The "el cheapo Swaro" (3-9X36 Z3) is a $20 bill shy of $800.00, and the only way they were even able to get it that "cheap" is to move assembly from Austria to the US. 

Optically speaking, the AV / Z3 series is nipping on the heels of their flagship 30mm stuff. Center field resolution and light transmission is virtually the same, given equivalent magnification. They're just "bare bones" in terms of options and mechanical features, they only have 3X zoom ratio, and they aren't as recoil-resistant as their 30mm brethren (traditional leaf springs rather than coil spring erector support), contributing to the lower price.

I haven't spent much time with Sightron scopes, so I can't provide a valid comparison, but that would be amazing if they or any other scope in their price range were equivalent to Swaro Z3 series optically. I can tell you without hesitation that compared to any scope I've seen in the $350 - $600 price range, the Z3 series is noticeably superior optically, though maybe not mechanically.
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This was an early or late depending Habicht?  MISTAKE RIFLEDUDE IS CORRECT I MADE A MISTAKE REPEAT AV NOT AH it was a Kahles AH.




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The Swaro AV is the exact same scope as the current Z3. "AH" was a Kahles 1" scope series, not Swaro; Swaro never had a scope series called "AH." Between the previous generation AV and current Z3, only the name, minor aesthetics, and assembly location are different. Optically and mechanically, they are the same scopes. They changed the name from AV to Z3 only so that it followed the naming convention of their other lines, referencing the zoom ratios.


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I took a few peeks thru the Sightron and my leupold VX-II this evening. In full disclosure, I wasn't able to do so until after dark. That said, I looked at light colored objects from 50-300 yards away, with varying light levels. The Sightron is notably brighter, with better resolution than the Leupold, but the center of the crosshairs are just barely perceptible. I had no such problem with the Leupold. I'll give it another look in the morning and see if that makes a difference. I'm a bit underwhelmed at the moment.
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I re-checked it again this morning at 6:45 and again at 7:15 and I just can't make out the center of the reticle in low light, even against light backgrounds; it's just too fine. (I did make sure I had the diopter adjusted correctly)

I'll be sending it back today at lunchtime. Rats!


Sunrise @ 7:07 AM here with overcast skies.
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Sorry to hear. 

If the reticle is important to you, as it is to me, I'd opt for the VX-R. Glass is "pretty good", but the reticle more than makes up for it. 

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I think the VXr glass is as good as any of the scopes around its price range.  It will do what you need optics wise, plus you will be able to see the reticle even in pitch black. 
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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

This was an early or late depending Habicht?  MISTAKE RIFLEDUDE IS CORRECT I MADE A MISTAKE REPEAT AV NOT AH it was a Kahles AH.





I was going to make that clarification as well. As the old AV series was phasing out, I bought as many as I could find, awesome scope, awesome glass, I am still a huge fan.
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The VX-R is definitely a good 'un! One of the better hunting scopes you can buy at its price point, with very well designed illumination!
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