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OK guy's seems everyone but me is into some type of long range shooting. I can and do shoot long distances well up to 500 yrds that is plenty for me comfortably anyway. I don't and wont own any high tech gizmos, not that they don't work just not my style. Anyway what is a good site or book to get and do some reading on this stuff? I want to build a rifle for combo hunting long ranging? I know the gun stuff, but have never used a ranging reticle, or MOA base if really needed at less than 600yrds I don't think it is? please shed some light. or ask me questions ...thank you for your time.

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Do you use a range finder? 

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I do have a range finder not a good one  but plan to upgrade.
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AGI has a couple of DVD's by Darrell Holland... a premier long range shooter.  I don't have one, or I would send you a copy, but I have seen one ... Secrets of Precision Long Range Shooting (I think).  AGI...American Gunsmithing Institute
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I read up on mil dots, and practiced a bit at shooterready.com. I don't use them for hunting, but it's a skill that you have to keep brushed up on, or it will go away. What kind of reticle were you looking into?
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I use my rangefinder in concert with a ballistic reticle/holdover reticle on my 'long range' deer guns. But,  I can't remember shooting over about 450 yards. 
 
So I think I'm in the "need to shut up and listen" group.
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I don't think I want to do precise shooting right now just hitting the target on center will fill my bill and I have learned to use my regular duplex reticles for this purpose at least out to 400 yrds or so I will try this for a while till I can buy a scope for this ranging stuff! and when that comes it will be a real simple one.
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Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

I use my rangefinder in concert with a ballistic reticle/holdover reticle on my 'long range' deer guns. But,  I can't remember shooting over about 450 yards. 
 
So I think I'm in the "need to shut up and listen" group.
 
You would be surprised to find out how many people say this is "really long range." I know people who would never dream of shooting at anything past 150 yards, and one guy that's never shot at anything over 35.
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Not that it matters much but the gun will most likely be chambered in 308.
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

I read up on mil dots, and practiced a bit at shooterready.com. I don't use them for hunting, but it's a skill that you have to keep brushed up on, or it will go away. What kind of reticle were you looking into?
 
 
Oh boy!!!!   Here is the besttest site http://www.mil-dot.com/ for practices.
 
 
 
 
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why a 308?? its not particularly good at long range. long range hunting and long range target (sanctioned targets or not) both depend on how long you hold the stable platform to get the shot off. long range target usually doesn't have a limit and start after 600 yds. anything less is a short range shot. very seldom is time a luxury in hunting so the shooting platform can't be fine tuned. Even in long range hunting ballistic profiles of cartridges aren't as important and BC don't mean as much. Most good hunting rifles can do 500 yds easy. Is this what you are interested in? If you are then start by deciding how much on target muzzle energy you want and work back.
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One needs to know what part of the sky to hold on when shooting at longer ranges..........
 
                         
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 All right Ed.  I give up. Who's the guy holding the glass?
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It would seem to me that the place for you to start would be to buy a  scope with target knobs.  I suggest a 10x Super Sniper to start. Add a mildot master or if you can bring yourself to spend the money a Sightron SIII  3.5-10x44 or and IOR or Leu Mk 4.

SS10X42 SWFA SS 10x42 Tactical Riflescope                                                                                       SWFA SS 10x42 Tactical Riflescope
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MD1 Mil-Dot Master                                                                                                          Mil-Dot Master
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I dont think you will need a plus moa base with this scope because it has lots of internal adjustment.  I would start by working with a rifle you already have then depending on what your needs are select a rifle and caliber that will be adequat for that game.
 One other scope to consider is either take the FX3 Leupold 6x42 and have custom shop add target knobs which will give you a better reticle and 1/4 moa clicks or the target version with 1/8 moa clicks:
LEU66825 Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Competition Hunter Riflescope                                                                         Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Competition Hunter Riflescope
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The 6x is the more hunting friendly optic but the 10x can be hunted.
http://www.kentonindustries.com/ add Kenton knobs or Leu will custom engrave them also.


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This gun will probably get  in no order ,Bushnell 4200-Leupold VXIII-Nikon Monarch, in the 4x14-16 range? just looked at a Super Sniper and it is just too big and bulky/heavy for my taste.  I stated earlier I don't want to use the guns I already have for various reasons,they all serve their intended purpose quite well and I don't want to change that, so a new one will be had .Originally I was thinking 308----6.5,284? or even a 243, the latter I have never owned and it's about time? I like the Idea of a dual purpose rifle it will see a lot of use both bench and field. And the tactical look is pretty cool!

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a fast twist 6 for bullets above 100 gr is pretty hard to beat.
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Best "long range" starter rifle you could get is a 308 winchester. 
 
 It's a Chevy, parts are available on street corners and almost every concievable load has already been developed using about every bullet/brass/primer and powder combo on the planet.  Lot's of work done for you already.
 
Define your goals.......earlier you said " hitting the target".  What target and what range would you want to do that ?
 
Without any information other than " probably a 308 and a SS is too heavy, can't really offer any advice, but am willing to help once your goals are defined.
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For me long range range would be 600/700 yrds I'm looking at a walkabout type rifle, barrel length at 20"-22" diameter no more than .850 target would be with in a 10'' pie plate don't need minute moa just consistency, I know the 308 will do fine,I have always wanted a 243 and I know this is good to the range I am seeking? plus I can load lighter bullets for yotes and squirrels. as for the scope as far as reticle something basic and simple I am good out to 400yrds or so with a duplex so anything that will help futher out than that will be good and I really dont like the SS for a hunting gun.  my limit on the gun is $800.00 the scope I could go about $500.00
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

 All right Ed.  I give up. Who's the guy holding the glass?

Baldwin... I thought he moved to Europe.
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Ok. after researching I learned a little more than I already new. So thanks for the help I will just go with the plan I have chosen for the time being I don't think I need the mill dot reticle or hash mark type scope I can get by with what I have been using for years ,600 -700 yrds isn't that much further than I have shot before. and like I said I'm not doing this for competition or little groups just need to hit a 10'' plate, easy enough. well maybe not real easy but certainly do-able? if I run into problems I will give someone a holler. again thanks for you replies.

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"If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball."

If you are shooting at 500, 600-700 is just a bit more, 100-200 yards, to be exact.
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With .308 150gr bullet drop is over double from 500-700, almost 2.5x with .243 95gr.  Drift due to wind is over double.  Big difference in 200 yards.
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My go to gun is a 700 .308 w/20" 1:12 bull and I can and have shot many sub moa groups at 600 yards...and I agree with what was said earlier about the ss scope....I have the ss 10x42m on this rifle, and have made 800 yard shots with this rig.....thats with a 168gr Honady match and 44.5 varget.....

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When you find a recipe the rifle rally likes, it's tough to venture far from what works.

Gotta dance with who brung ya'!




Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

With .308 150gr bullet drop is over double from 500-700, almost 2.5x with .243 95gr.  Drift due to wind is over double.  Big difference in 200 yards.



Details, details.  "Ready, fire aim" never hurt anyone!
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

When you find a recipe the rifle rally likes, it's tough to venture far from what works.

Gotta dance with who brung ya'!

(This is so true!)


Details, details.  "Ready, fire aim" never hurt anyone!

                            Whacko
 
 
And sniper-13 thanks for bringing this back..... not!....I got it done, and what I am doing is working as intended but with no SS.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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