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I want a scope that I can move between my AR10 and AR15.  I want the scope to be my long range scope for the .308 but I also want to have great low light glass so I can deer hunt with the .308 and night hunt coyote with the .223.

I had settled on the March 5-40 FFP but, after reading the precisionrifleblog comparison, I'm second guessing that.  Kahles K624i is a little cheaper but seems like their quality must be hit or miss.  S&B seems like the safest bet but is also the most expensive.  The Zeiss Diavari 6-24, although SFP and limited in range seems to have the best consistent glass reviews.  I can't find a lot of info on the Swarovski X5i but it also seems to be everything I want minus FFP.

Is March glass as good as S&B, Zeiss, and Swarovski?  Is Kahles?

Aside from extended elevation, ruggedness, and FFP, am I getting anything glasswise by going with the S&B over Zeiss or Swaro?

What are the thoughts on the X5i?  Which would have better glass between it and the Zeiss Diavari?

Oh, one last thing, my last "tactical" scope seemed to fog up in hunting conditions more than any other scope I've used/owned.  Is there something to this?  Should I stay away from using tactical scopes to hunt with? 

If you're wondering why I posted two different posts, this is my "please help me pick a scope" and the other is more about the findings on that other comparison.

I'd appreciate any feedback.  This is a big purchase and I don't want any regrets.

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Luckily a few members educated me on current hensoldt not being same as old. I also considered several members advice and looked harder at vortex. With the military discount they are hard to beat.

planning to purchase tomorrow. Thanks all!
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I don't think you'll be happy with the glass(especially compared to the other brands you've mentioned) and the low level light is not the greatest from what I hear.
If your looking for a bright and clear long range scope, the Nightforce bench is very bright scope. Also Sightron 10-50 I believe and the new Burris XTR II 8-40 which is rumored to be Steiner glass (Schott)
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Thanks for the feedback...the only reason I dont have one on the way is vortex system was down all day today...I dont wanna spend $2k and be disappointed. Seems like I could jump up several hundred and get a k624i with less overall range. I havent found a lot on steiner but k624i glass seems to get higher reviews... in gen iii...then im looking at several hundred more to get a bargin s&b or x5i or march or steiner military.

Id prefer to save and get something im thrilled with. Right now my best glass is leica eri and I want something with more mag...illum...and equal or better glass..
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Originally posted by kickin45 kickin45 wrote:

I don't think you'll be happy with the glass(especially compared to the other brands you've mentioned) and the low level light is not the greatest from what I hear.


I have heard very good things about the Vortex Gen IIs with the exception of the weight.

http://swfa.com/Vortex-45-27x56-Razor-HD-Gen-II-34mm-Rifle-Scope-P67728.aspx
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The Kahles is an excellent scope IMO.  I prefer it over the S&B
Incredibly pleased with it.   http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/kahles-624i-rifle-scope-review-1.php

I also use Sightron S-II's and Burris XTR-II's, but they are a different class of scope.

The Gen 2 HD Vortex  is a great buy for the buck as well.
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If you are referring to my down-ness on Kahles, it is from experience with the gen1 and gen2 versions. I still have a gen2 and still like it, but don't love it.
I won't buy a gen3 based purely on principle. That said, if they fixed the optical issues and the parallax issues, it should indeed be an awesome scope.
I also recommended the vortex gen2, it is heavy but quite good.

The value of the Kalhes, at least for me, is the parallax setup. I shoot lefty often and the parallax adjustment is perfect for my shooting, righty or lefty gun. I am an S&B fan, but their illumination controls cause issues with lefty guns.

Kahles may have finally squared their wares away. I am supremely displeased that the prior generations had such obvious issues. Had I not spent significant money on a supremely flawed design, I'd probably be a fan right now too. But I did, I got hose - as did many others - and Kahles probably won't win me back.

This is much of why I don't buy quite as quickly as I once did, early adopters are often beta testers. Kahles did it very wrong twice; they may be doing it right now, but if not, I have no confidence they will make it right after.
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Mine is the Gen 3
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This is like well my Lambo only does this and my old Ferrari is only this...nevermind...GLASS ENVY
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Thanks for some feedback guys. I tried to buy the vortex that next day but their system was down. I spoke with a vendor I've done business in the past with who is very active on some other boards. He strongly steered me to the kahles over the vortex echoing the advice above about kahles being in a class above.

Tough decision. At this point, I'd rather save a few more months and get the kahles. I would rather wait a few months and spend a few hundred more than spend $2k+ and not be delighted. The weight savings would be nice too.
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Thanks. And I wasnt just refering to u being down on kahles (if that was intended for me). Ilya's review and the prb test both had probs with them. Now to pick out a qd mount...
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American defense recon, it is my go to mount for most applications now. It locks up tight, returns to zero quite well, very durable, very reliable. Won't break the bank.
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That's my number one choice. Way cheaper than bigger names. Glad to hear that! Much easier than choosing scope. Thanks dude.
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put the razor on order today...lost a week or so considering the kahles but just can't justify all the extra hundreds to get it if it's that close to the razor.

only thing is the wait..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

6-8 MONTHS!

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Ilya in stated in his last review that Tangent Theta is the best scope the WORLD has to offer.  It comes in two power levels; 3-15x50 (30mm tube), 3-15x50 (34mm tube) (both $3,819.00) and the 5-25x56 (34mm tube) Theta Tangent ($4,395.00), which is the the King of the Hill.  The only downside, and it's a BIG downside is the cost.  I'm saving for one right now.  I have two of the older Hensoldts, but I have 3 rifles that need scopes.  I am a scope snob and a scope slut, so my idea of what to buy probably doesn't resonate with many shooters.
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My ceiling is $3500 since thats what you can get a s&b for occasionally.
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I have one of the old Premier 3-15s and still love it. I will eventually have a TT.
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Originally posted by Magnumdood Magnumdood wrote:

Ilya in stated in his last review that Tangent Theta is the best scope the WORLD has to offer.  It comes in two power levels; 3-15x50 (30mm tube), 3-15x50 (34mm tube) (both $3,819.00) and the 5-25x56 (34mm tube) Theta Tangent ($4,395.00), which is the the King of the Hill.  The only downside, and it's a BIG downside is the cost.  I'm saving for one right now.  I have two of the older Hensoldts, but I have 3 rifles that need scopes.  I am a scope snob and a scope slut, so my idea of what to buy probably doesn't resonate with many shooters.

A couple of comments:

-I said, it is the best scope I have seen.  That does not mean it is the best scope the world has to offer.
-The 30mm tube 3-15x50 sells for $3k: http://swfa.com/Tangent-Theta-3-15x50-Professional-Marksman-30mm-Rife-Scope-P74667.aspx  That is the one I've been playing with for a bit now and it is absolutely superb.

ILya

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Originally posted by Magnumdood Magnumdood wrote:

I am a scope snob and a scope slut, so...

No one here is likely to hold that against you!
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Ilya,

In your review at the Shot Show (may have been the Shot Show) you wrote distinctly that as of now Tangent Theta has the "best scope in the world".
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Magnumdood Magnumdood wrote:

I am a scope snob and a scope slut, so...

No one here is likely to hold that against you!

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