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    Posted: August/30/2011 at 23:26
hello Guys !!!

Iam building a new shooting rifle and need a new scope. I will attempt to shoot from 300y up to 1000y and back on to both still and some moving targets. So I need a bunch of X and an accurate and reliable scope.

zeiss has been my favorite optics brand,  but there are new scopes with better power ranges than those on their current product line...  Like the Bushnell 6500 4.5-30x50mm which has a similar X ranges than the Swaro Z6 5-30x50mm without the heavy $$ tag... so maybe its worth trying other brand...
Please help me  to find out where is this Bushnell standing out in Optical Quality, Accuracy, and Reliability next to Leupold, Zeiss, Swaro Scopes.... and if there are other options available...

My favorite scope is the Diavari 6-24x56mm  it is a-w-e-s-o-m-e  accurate!!! I have no doubt that if I dont hit where I want at any power range Im doing something wrong myself.... but unfortunately cant mount all my rifles with scopes like this one.... 

thanks in advance for all your knowledge and your comments....  =)  


 
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I have "very" limited experence with Bushnell scopes but, I looked thru a 2.5-16x50 Elite 6500 and on the max power setting there was some clarity and sharpness drop off.  Neither of my Swarvoski's or Zeiss scopes do this.
 
In broad daylight the Bushnell Elite 6500 looked pretty clear and crisp to me.  I didn't compare them in low light but a Swarovski is going to be tough to beat, if that matters.  You would really have to compare them side-by-side to really check out the differences. 
 
I've read that Sightron scopes are pretty good for the money but I've never had the opportunity to compare one side-by-side with anything else.
 
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How are you wanting to accomplish distance?
Dialing alone?
Reticle or combo of reticle and dialing?
Looking for a MOA or MIL reticle or just a plex?
Are you intending to reticle range targets?
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Ok

a bushnell wont be as sharp or bright as a $1,500 or higher swaro or zeiss scope, the comparison is just to find out if it is worth it to buy a bushnell or if it would be better to get a Leupold/ zeiss etc.... just how far from the very good ones is... 


yes I want to take the ballistic table and start shooting from 300y by dialing the turrets..... thats why I am looking for an accurate scope. 
with mildot reticle...
no reticle rande targets.....

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Youd be better off with a Super Sniper 5-20 as they have awesome glass!
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If you want to get adventurous, look at the March scopes. A 2.5-25 X 42 might be a decent compromise without breaking the bank...sort of. Cool
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I have not used a SS, but I know they are great.  IF the SS 5-20 had a MOA reticle I promise you I would end up owning one, one way or the other.

Another scope which I have used a lot at distance is the S-III Sightron 6-24 and or 8-32, that can be had with the MIL reticle.
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I do not think the original poster is from the US, and since SWFA does not do international sales it would be difficult for him to get his hands on one of the SWFA SS scopes.

For long range shooting in the sub-$1k range, I would suggest looking at Sightron S3 scopes.

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Sorry for the Off Topic:
Ilya,
Hope all is good with you.
I hope your ears were not burning to much yesterday afternoon.
I had along phone call with someone yesterday and your name was brought up.
FYI-It was positive words from both partiesSuper
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I do not think the original poster is from the US, and since SWFA does not do international sales it would be difficult for him to get his hands on one of the SWFA SS scopes.

For long range shooting in the sub-$1k range, I would suggest looking at Sightron S3 scopes.

ILya
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Originally posted by Ernie Bishop Ernie Bishop wrote:

Sorry for the Off Topic:
Ilya,
Hope all is good with you.
I hope your ears were not burning to much yesterday afternoon.
I had along phone call with someone yesterday and your name was brought up.
FYI-It was positive words from both partiesSuper
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I do not think the original poster is from the US, and since SWFA does not do international sales it would be difficult for him to get his hands on one of the SWFA SS scopes.

For long range shooting in the sub-$1k range, I would suggest looking at Sightron S3 scopes.

ILya

Thanks, Ernie.
We have a week old baby, so a little thing like ears burning would not even get my attention.

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I heard that too-CONGRATS!

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Ernie Bishop Ernie Bishop wrote:

Sorry for the Off Topic:
Ilya,
Hope all is good with you.
I hope your ears were not burning to much yesterday afternoon.
I had along phone call with someone yesterday and your name was brought up.
FYI-It was positive words from both partiesSuper
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I do not think the original poster is from the US, and since SWFA does not do international sales it would be difficult for him to get his hands on one of the SWFA SS scopes.

For long range shooting in the sub-$1k range, I would suggest looking at Sightron S3 scopes.

ILya

Thanks, Ernie.
We have a week old baby, so a little thing like ears burning would not even get my attention.

ILya
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Congrats Ilya to you & the Mrs on the new addition Excellent
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My two cents,
 
Having owned many of the scopes mentioned (1 S&B, 2 Z6's, 3 Diavari's) it really comes down to personal preference. Have not used the bushnell and cannot comment on that particular scope. I've compared my Z6i 3-18 BT with my Diavari and really like both of these scopes. I believe the Diavari has the brightest picture of 3 brands mentioned. However, the Swaro seems to have the best resolution, IMO. Both the Z6 and Diavari have plenty of eye relief with the Z6 having the biggest sweet spot. If I had to choose only one of these scopes as a long range hunting scope the Swaro with the ballistic turret gets my vote. I use the 3-18 on my 338 and have found the BT to be very accurate and simple to use. IMO, the Z6i is really hard to beet as a pure hunting scope. None of these scopes are tactical scopes.
 
When considering the the Z6 5-30 keep in mind you will lose elevation with the ballistic turret with that particular scope. You might have a hard time getting enough elevation to reach 1000 yards unless you're shooting an extremely flat caliber.
 
In the end, you're splitting hairs with any of the high end european optics. It's really a matter of getting some time behind a demo and deciding which one fits you the best. I don't think you'll regret buying a Diavari or Z6.   Jimmy
 
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