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Poll Question: what the best Caliber
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i would like to know what would be the best Caliber to use for long rage target 1000meter and some deer hunting use the same gun more target
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338 Lapua.  It's like moving your 308 600 yards closer to the target.

Let's not get into another long range hunting ethics discussion. There's a board specificly for that.
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.338 if you can accept thr heavyer gun.

Something 6,5 if you want a lighter gun.

 

You cannot beat the 6,5 anything less that .338 lapua for long range.

.308 looses almost the twice as much height at 1000 meters compared to 6,5-284

 

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I like the recoil on the 7mag better but the .300 is a good choice, too. There are good target bullets available for both and with hunting bullets the sky is the limit.
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no such thing as best caliber, to many other variables
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300 winmag ain't no slouch - but the .338 lapua is the big kid on the block IMO.

 

see if you can't find a Sako TRG-S in a 338 lapua - good hunting stock but can shoot out well past 1000.

great action AND trigger.

 

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If you don`t mind heavier recoil and heavier rifle,,,,,the .338 is an outstanding choice!!!!!...............But remember!! Whatever you hunt, regardless of caliber, you still, must place your shot in the vitals area for a clean one shot kill......And depending on the terrain, if you take that 700 to 1,000 yard shot, and you don`t hit the vital area, be prepared to track your quarry for quite awhile, assuming of course that your able to find the blood trail that leads to your game????!!!!!!.....Remember too, that a good rule of thumb, on a deer, is ABOUT 1,000 foot pounds of down range energy as the minimum. ABOUT 1,500 to 2,000 foot pounds on elk and moose. THIS IS NOT ABSOLUTE!!!!..........Long range shots are great and challenging, but let`s all not go overboard here and take the stalks out of our hunts!!!!!........Everything is a compromise or give and take!!! You want to hunt with the .338 Lapua? Fine! A great choice! Be prepared though for the added recoil, rifle weight and if your not a reloader, ammo expense!! While you gain more velocity with heavier bullets, you lose with added recoil, weight and expense!!!!....When you gain something,,,,,you lose something!!!!....................For 1,000 yard target use, I would find which caliber has been one of the most successful at those competitive matches!!! Make sense???..........My personal favorite, which would serve you well and give you the best possible compromise for hunting and target use,, is the,,,,300 Win. Mag....If I`m not mistaken, that cartridge has won quite a few 1,000 yard matches?????????? Hmmmm?????.................................................. Big Squeeze!  
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Confused   OOOOPS!!!!....I thought that,,, "oldfashion",,,, was seeking some advice!  Didn`t realize this was a poll until it was too late!!!........It` been a long day!!.........Did cast my vote for the .300 mag. afterwards.
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im a huge fan of .308 cal rifles i love the ability to use them for everything from varmint to dangerous game. the .300 win is a great choice

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If match 300 Win mag is compared to a 6,5-284 the following data occurs.

 

.338 'Lapua mag

250 grain sierra match bullet 3000 fps

1000 yards 297 inches drop

10 mph crosswind gives 64 " winddrift.

 

6,5-284

140 grains sierra match bullet, 2950 fps

1000 yards 310 inches drop.

10 mph crosswind gives 68" winddrift

 

300 win mag.

190 grains sierra match bullet 2950 fps

1000 yards 326inches drop

10 mph crosswind 77 inches drift

 

300 win mag

168 grains sierra match bullet 3120 fps

1000 yards 321 inches drop

10 mph crosswind 90 inches drift.

 

.308 win

168 grains sierra match bullet 2549 fps

1000 yards 524 inches drop

10 mph crosswind 125" winddrift

 

So I agree there is no such caliber as the best caliber, but in the comparision betwen the .30 cals, 6,5 and .338 the 30 cals is fairly far behid.

The 6,5 is impressive how such little amount of powder can archive so much.

But on the other hand the energy is not the most when it hits there far away, but that doesent matter on a paper target.

 

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the reason the 6.5 is such a good round is the sectional density of the bullet i shoot a 6.5 rem mag and shooting a 120 gr bullet out of it is comparable to shooting a 180gr bullet out of a .308 cal rifle and if you step up to a 140 gr 6.5 its almost the same as shooting a 200 gr bullet in a .308, so what you end up with is a screaming fast bullet that hits really really hard, i know chris took his to africa and knocked a lot of tough animals down with his 6.5x.284 so yeah its a good round

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shooting at 1000 to 1700 yds with any of these calibers, depends more on the cross winds than the drop. The drop, even if severe, can be ranged and dialed in fairly easy. its the damn cross winds that get you. a hot wind blowing low off a mound and shooting from a higher vantage point of the bullet traj.,  can actually "lift" the bullets. where the 6.5 really stands out is less susceptable to wind drift. the most important factor alone is how long it doesn't take the bullet to get there. longer barreled 6.5 28 to 30 are getting 3100 to 3200 which really makes a difference.

one point not mentioned, most shots past 200 yds are best made from a rest and prone if possible, and shooting 300 or 338 mags in 7 lbs sporters from a prone brings an inate longing for a 270

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i dont know dale i have taken many an offhand shot with the the 300 winm and 300wsm and if its at an animal you dont notice the recoil anyways target shooting a hole nother story, i have no place for a .270 hence my liking of the 280 and the 30-06, both imo are supior to the 270 for the simple fact that your bullet selections are better and your getting imo a sturdy bullet. i know a ton of people think the 270 is great and yes it will kill anything most of us hunt very well, but for some reason the 270 doesnt turn my crank.
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270's were really hot in the 60-70's  personally been using a steyr luxus 7x64 brenneke (the predecessor to the 280) since the late seventies. one of the problems with this post is it doens't define long range hunting. as opposed to long range target shooting which if you'll pardon me is a different animal.
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yeah i totally agree with you and i also agree that shooting position is critical as the distance gets greater.  that 7x64 is almost a dead ringer for the 280 a person who didnt know better would look at the two side by side and would say theyre the same thing. good round
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the 7mm remington express, 7x64, and 280 all use the same reloading dies.
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yes the .280 was originally called the 7mm express when rem first brought it out.
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This actually is a no brainer, considering all of the calibers mentioned.  Combining the inherent accuracy of a .30 caliber bullet with the fire power necessary for long range hunting, to include velocity and energy to make the kill, the 30-378 Wby. stand alone.  At 900 to 1000 yard with a variety of bullets, it has more residual kinetic energy that does a 30-30, pick your bullet, at 100 yard.  Forget the .338 Lapua.  A 200 grain Nosler BT sighted in a 300 yards, drops 234 inches, has 1476 fps and 968 foot pound of energy at 1000 yards in a 30-378, while a 235 .338 Lapua drops 322 inches, has 1161 fps and 703 foot pounds of energy.
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