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budperm ![]() Optics Retard ![]() ![]() show me your sheep!! Joined: January/01/2009 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 28152 |
I remeber that thread Alan just not who posted it or the details. 30 yrs old. Orange dust telltail.
Oh and thanks for your observation about Varget. I'm about to start a new 8lb keg...
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jonoMT ![]() Optics Master Extraordinaire ![]() ![]() Joined: November/13/2008 Location: Montana Status: Offline Points: 4806 |
8 lbs. Varget = 1244 rounds (@ 45 gr. per)...I don't worry about lot variation. With that volume, it's a long time between load tests.
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Reaction time is a factor...
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budperm ![]() Optics Retard ![]() ![]() show me your sheep!! Joined: January/01/2009 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 28152 |
I have worked up loads for all my guns in Varget. .223, .270. .300WM, .308, 8mm. 8lb doesn't last as long as you'd think. Even at 26.5gr per .223
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supertool73 ![]() Optics God ![]() ![]() Superstool Joined: January/03/2008 Location: Utah Status: Offline Points: 10476 |
I buy 3 or 4 eight lb jugs of Varget
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budperm ![]() Optics Retard ![]() ![]() show me your sheep!! Joined: January/01/2009 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 28152 |
not recently you don't...
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Alan Robertson ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: October/31/2009 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 1759 |
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"Garg'n uair dhuisgear"
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supertool73 ![]() Optics God ![]() ![]() Superstool Joined: January/03/2008 Location: Utah Status: Offline Points: 10476 |
Very true, very true
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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.
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powderburn ![]() Optics Journeyman ![]() Joined: April/09/2010 Status: Offline Points: 345 |
let me begin by saying I am not a bench rest shooter and I reload mainly for economy with acceptable hunting accuracy. I have been reloading for over 40 years and have tried a lot of different approaches. I pretty much throw all of my charges these days using a simple set of Lee scoops. Only when I am loading to near max loading then I will scoop into a scale and trickle, but that is becoming less common in many of my rifles as I haven't found much difference in a 30-06 or 308 launching a 150 gr bullet at 2700 fps and one going 3000fps for the hunting I normally do.
I found that you can get very good accuracy using volume measuring in most of the medium and larger cases (22 hornet no). As an example I recently trade for a nice older 30-06 savage 110. I looked at my stash of components and found a can of AA4350 and a bunch of 150gr Remington pcl bullets. A quick look at my scoop chart and I found a load I thought would work. Got to the range rough zeroed the scope with some pulled bullets to get it on paper and settled down to work. The load averaged 2670fps with a high of 2711 and a low of 2638 for 10 shots . Of the 3 3shot groups I fired they averaged 1 1/8 inches. Load development ceased there and the scope was tweaked to shoot 1.5 inches high at 100 yds so now all I need is a deer to shoot at. That seems to be the norm for me using the scoops. I find it easy to match or beat factory loads and that is fine with me. it seems I can always get a silver dollar sized and usually less sized group just scooping the charge and given I don't shoot as much as I use to , my 58 year old eyesight and my jumpy nerves 1 " is about as good as I do with sporter weight rifle and a 4 x scope . |
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Dale Clifford ![]() Optics Jedi Knight ![]() Joined: July/04/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5087 |
looks like this topic is making the rounds again. mostly you should do what ever makes you comfortable. If you don't think your Dillon can throw consistent charges, weigh them, but don't let those little things like checking your balance against a weight standard, or air currents change your mind. Or if you are one of those reloader/shooters who thinks they have control over every event in the process from loading until the bullet strikes the target continue on thinking weighing is more "accurate". Accurate here means what happens on the target, not, the statistical data obtained from comparing apples and oranges. (actually they are very close, both fruits contain almost the same amount and kind of sugars, and fiber, in type and weight). It's called random error. This is introduced into events regardless of steps taken to avoid it. With shooting the event of reloading, the event of conditions that day, the event of your blood sugar being low introduces random error exponentially. Thus a slightly overcharge may be offset be slightly tighter brass neck on one case, or the round actually shoots to the left, but your low blood sugar pulled it right for a bullseye. A low SD at the chrono doesn't guarantee good groups, while there is a degree of correlation so does adjusting the scope properly. Do you eat doughnuts while you shoot.. ??? Better check there sugar weight before shooting.
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8shots ![]() Optics Jedi Knight ![]() ![]() Lord Of The Flies Joined: March/14/2007 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 5954 |
Hi Dale,
Long time no hear (or should I say no post!!) Like always great pearls of wisdom...I have started eating donuts whilst shooting...works like a charm
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Dale Clifford ![]() Optics Jedi Knight ![]() Joined: July/04/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5087 |
Its best to buy the doughnuts by the case with the same lot number so the type and weight of the sugar is uniform throughout the same batch. If one shoots a lot, then some special runs can be made by the local bakery and delivered just before shooting to prevent the hygroscopic effect of sugar pulling the water out of the air and changing the weight.
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