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I was looking around to see what would be the lightest weigh FFP tactical scope that can be used at mid-long range (let's say the effective range of 6.5 Grendel).

So far it looks like the lightest available options are SWFA SS 3-9x42, IOR 2.5-10x42 and Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x40 which all clock in right around 19 ounces.

Vortex has the new Viper PST 2.5-10x32FFP coming out which might become the lightest yet.

Basically, what I am looking for is to assemble a line-up of scopes for a follow-up to my Mid-Range Tactical article:

Naturally, I have a preference for newer designs, so the Vortex looks very interesting to me.

Generally, tactically oriented FFP scopes tend to be rather substantial, so I am curious about exploring the lighter side of things in this case.

Any suggestions?

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I don't have any suggestions, but I do have an interest.
After putting an IOR 1.5-8x28 on a match rifle, weight has come to my attention. For matches the weight is a good thing, but when I take it for long walks in the woods, lighter comes to mind........a lot.
It's not just the scope thats heavy of course, but it was very noticable over an ACOG.
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I started thinking about weight when I decided to build a lightweight long range AR.

I am not real big on AR-10 platform, so I decided to stick with AR-15 and chamber it for 6.5Grendel.

Here is how it is currently configured:


With the rather slim March scope on top it weighs in at 10.5lbs with bipod (unloaded).

March is a ~$3k scope which is not something everyone can afford (I am not sure I can keep it either), so I started thinking about other options. 

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Nice blaster, Koshkin. 
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Thanks.

It is unusually accurate, even with me pulling the trigger.  With a competent shooter it would be even more impressive.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Thanks.

It is unusually accurate, even with me pulling the trigger.  With a competent shooter it would be even more impressive.

ILya



Does it have a match trigger? I have been running the Wilson Combat TTU unit and like all things WC, it's outstanding and my groups shrunk as a result, when I replaced the crappy GI trigger out of my AR with it.   
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Thanks.

It is unusually accurate, even with me pulling the trigger.  With a competent shooter it would be even more impressive.

ILya



Does it have a match trigger? I have been running the Wilson Combat TTU unit and like all things WC, it's outstanding and my groups shrunk as a result, when I replaced the crappy GI trigger out of my AR with it.   

I had great interest in the TTU until I saw the price...  That, and at the time I looked at it I think it was only available as a single stage trigger.  I seem to have a preference for two stage triggers.

The cheapest decent trigger I was able to identify is the Rock River NM two stage and that is what my ARs have.  All are set up with the same trigger, so I do not have to retrain myself when I go back and forth between them.

I already have enough trouble going from rifle to rifle since the trigger is different on different designs.  Hence I try to standardize on triggers as much as I can.  If  I decide to witch to Wilson TTU, I will have to buy three of them (and I am thinking of building up another AR), which can get expensive in a hurry.

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I found this thread and decided to bring it back to the surface.

I am trying to conceptualize what my "Mid-range Tactical: Part 2" will look like.

In the first part of the article, I thought the SWFA SS 3-9x42 was a standout scope and now that I have one with a different reticle (Mil-quad vs the original Mil-Dot), I will definitely include it in the follow on article.

I do not know when Vortex is going to have their 2.5-10x32FFP, but I will contact them and find out.

Weaver is supposed to have a 2-10x36, and I will see if I can get my hands on one.

I wonder what else I should try to include.

Suggestions?

ILya
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Sightron had a fixed 6x available at SWFA, it looks like its gone. 

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Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

http://swfa.com/IOR-25-10x42-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44579.aspx
I know I jumped a bit in price on the U.S.O....

IOR would be a good fit, except I have extensive mileage with three different generations of that scope, so I am not sure I want re-test it again.  It is a very nice scope though.  It is also slightly more expensive than I would be inclined to classify as mid-range: I think I am going to impose a sub-$1000 price range.

Keep in mind that for these riflescopes when I say "mid-range" I mean both the price and the engagement distance.

USO is definitely outside the price range I have in mind.  Besides, I am a little leery of testing USO scopes since in the ones I have seen optical quality varied so much. 

Leupold VX-R Patrol might be an option.  I generally prefer FFP scopes for these applications, but there are not all that many of them out there.

Pride Fowler RR-800 was in the first article.  I do not want to carry over two scopes from one article to another.  Having the SS in there allows for some continuity and it does have a new reticle.

Thanks for the suggestions.
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I know this is a little over your $1K mark but I thought I'd mention it for the weight you are seeking....Bushnell elite tactical 1.5-6x24  @ 18.5 ozs.
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I recently added a PST 6-24 in SFP to the safe for use on my varmint AR.  I was VERY suprised how light it was.  Specs list it as the same weight for the FFP model.  Next to a USO / SS / Sightron SIII of the same power range the PST felt like a 3-9.  I think the 2.5-10 FFP model would fit the bill for your intended application.  I have yet to put the PST through any testing, but I was suprised by the weight.

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How about adding "the new next SS scope"?  That's rumored to be between the SS 3-9 and 5-20.  Don't know if it will be under $1000.
 
Sure would be nice if a little info on this scope would be "let out" soon..........?
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Dang that IOR looks sweet. Makes want me want a rifle to put under it.
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Those March scopes are awesome.
 
I want one so bad but I would have to give both legs for one.
 
I want the 1-10x they offer. Would be the last scope I would need for a long time...... well, last thing I buy period for a long time. Whacko
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yeah,till the 1-12 comes along Big Smile
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Too bad those March scopes only have a five year warranty. That's an expensive paper weight if it fails six years down the road.
I would love to see a comparison of the pst and the new weaver. Hopefully weaver puts a better reticle in that scope than there emdr.
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Originally posted by 6.5x47 6.5x47 wrote:

Too bad those March scopes only have a five year warranty. That's an expensive paper weight if it fails six years down the road.
I would love to see a comparison of the pst and the new weaver. Hopefully weaver puts a better reticle in that scope than there emdr.

I am fairly certain you would get taken care of if your March scope failed after six years.  Call it a hunch.

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Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

yeah,till the 1-12 comes along Big Smile
 
You are absolutely right!
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Sorry for derailing the thread, but 2-3k is a bit much to spend on something only guaranteed by a hunch. I don't even see why they would bring a scope like this to market, when even garbage Chinese scopes have a better warranty. All things mechanical will eventually fail, these March scopes are no different.

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It has to do with Japanese law. The length of warranty is dictated by the government, with regards to the size of the company...If you buy one, March will take care of you. They just can't put it in writing... If you don't, don't sweat it!
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I understand there excuse about Japanese law.  Nightforce, vortex, swfa, sightron, and several other optics companies have there scopes made in Japan.  All the while, offering an excellent warranty.  If Japanese law really is that strict, they should have moved headquarters to a more "small business" friendly country.  Otherwise, I believe, they are just wasting time bringing a product like this into our marketplace.
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I think that the comparison companies you listed are American Companies and not subject to Japanese warranty restrictions.  I believe Deon is Japanese, and so restricted.
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Originally posted by 6.5x47 6.5x47 wrote:

I understand there excuse about Japanese law.  Nightforce, vortex, swfa, sightron, and several other optics companies have there scopes made in Japan.  All the while, offering an excellent warranty.  If Japanese law really is that strict, they should have moved headquarters to a more "small business" friendly country.  Otherwise, I believe, they are just wasting time bringing a product like this into our marketplace.
 Thanks for sharing... I believe they offer a package that is not available from anybody else! March was the first of 10x erectors, let alone the first to offer it in FFP! And they put it in a scope that doesn't way a ton! Do I have one? No. Would I like one? Yes! But right now it just a bit out of my personal price range. While warranty is a concern, with March trying to grow there business here, I doubt they would risk even one bad CS review.
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