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Is there any sort of comparison chart, guesses or otherwise, between Leup's tactical line and their regular line?  I'm assuming they didn't come up with new glass just so they can sell it to Uncle Sam, so presumably a Mark AR has an equivalent, or close to it, on the hunting side of the aisle.  Same for the VX-R & Mark 4, or at least I'm hoping.  Based on price, I'm guessing that the Mark 4 line is based off the VX-3, but that's a swag.
 
I'm asking because it's easy to find reviews on their regular line-up but I'm not having much luck with the tactical line.  If the price were the same, would a Mark 4 be substantially better than a Viper HS or Nikon Monarch?
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You might try Leupolds site and click on the Tactical section. This way you can do a comparison between their tactical and commercial scopes. There are differences between the two, it may be just reticles, turrets, and other features, but there are some tactical scopes that have no commercial counterparts.
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Information is not readily available but this comparison will give you an idea what I tend to think.
Lets compare the two similar in appearance scopes and note the differences.  Both have special reticles but one is designed for military and police sniper use the other is designed for Varmit hunters. The knob style and feel are quite different only hands on will tell you that. The tactical optic has an illuminated reticle so that accounts for a portion of the cost difference. But some of the differnces are far more subtle and not readily apparant.  Differnt glass coatings, a significant difference in the erector system of the knobs, I suspect a thicker body and heavier mechanical parts on the Mk4 because the Mk4 has 70 MOA of windage and elevation adjustment. http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/mark-4-lrt-riflescopes/mark-4-lrt-6-5-20x50mm-30mm-m1-illum-ret/    While its VX3 brother has 94 MOA of windage and elevation.
 
So just because they look alike does not make them the same thing, you get what you pay for sometimes less NEVER more. American Flag
Leupold 6.5-20x50 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope Leupold 6.5-20x50 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - LEU67975
  • Matte
  • Illuminated Tactical Milling Reticle
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • M1 Target Knobs
  • Free Leupold Flip-Open Lens Covers
$1,499.95 
Leupold 6.5-20x50 VX-3 30mm Riflescope Varmint Hunters Leupold 6.5-20x50 VX-3 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - LEU66595
  • Silver
  • Varmint Hunters
  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Target Knobs
  • Side Focus
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
$969.95 
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At the price point, that was my impression of the Mark AR line.  My general sense of Leupold, which may or may not be fair, is that they're good scopes but not necessarily a good value.  But they do support the military, and if I can get a Mark 4 4.5-14 (non illum) for Monarch or Viper money, the value may be there.  I'll probably have to do it sight unseen, though, which is why I'm asking silly questions.  I have a 1" Viper 3-9 that I'm very happy with, and the 30mm HS is what I had decided on before finding the Leupold offer.
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At suggested retail Leupold is no bargain. At Military / Police price its not quite as painfull, but more important is are you making the correct choice for your need, sometimes its better to pay more for somthing that will work better for you.   Still If I were in the thousand dollar plus range for an optic. Considering the fact that I own several such optics including two Leupold Mk4 scopes, I would buy either a Super Sniper 5-20x50 ( I have two already ) or a US. Optics 1.8-10x44 or a Nightforce.  Now you can do as you please but be forewarned that the tactical knobs on the Leupold are too tall for my taste.  The EREK knob on U.S. Optics would by my preference of knob style, The knobs on the Super Sniper and Nightforce seem more managable. I see alot of Leupold Mk 4 scopes in mil and police use where I work, but the truth is you can do better.  Start by reading some of these reviews:
Give this scope some serious consideration before you select.
SWFA SS 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope SWFA SS 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SSHD520X50MQ
  • Patented First Focal Plane Mil-Quad Reticle
  • 30mm
  • HD Model
  • Locking Ocular Adjustment
  • 0.1 Mrad Elevation & Windage
  • 10 Mils Per Revolution
  • 30 Mils Of Total Travel
  • Side Focus
$1,299.95 
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One of the most important aspects to consider when comparing this type of scope is how much internal adjustment the scope has.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:



One of the most important aspects to consider when comparing this type of scope is how much internal adjustment the scope has.


This is very true and there is a lot of variation from the various manufacturers, and even within their own product lines. Internal adjustment can be enhanced/augmented by using "tipped bases" or Burris Signature rings with changeable poly inserts. I have a 20MOA tipped base and Burris Signature rings on a Rem700. There are tipped bases up to about 45MOA depending upon manufacturer and rifle that you're working with. If no tipped bases are available, the Signature rings are available in 1" and 30mm. The 1" have inserts from "0" to +/-20, so you could have -20 in the front and +20 in the rear. The 30mm have "0" or +/-10 only.

The down side to "tipping the scope" is that you may notice a difference in clarity as the reticle is adjusted further away from center. Better glass makes this less apparent, if noticeable at all.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

At suggested retail Leupold is no bargain. At Military / Police price its not quite as painfull, but more important is are you making the correct choice for your need, sometimes its better to pay more for somthing that will work better for you.   Still If I were in the thousand dollar plus range for an optic. Considering the fact that I own several such optics including two Leupold Mk4 scopes, I would buy either a Super Sniper 5-20x50 ( I have two already ) or a US. Optics 1.8-10x44 or a Nightforce.  Now you can do as you please but be forewarned that the tactical knobs on the Leupold are too tall for my taste.  The EREK knob on U.S. Optics would by my preference of knob style, The knobs on the Super Sniper and Nightforce seem more managable. I see alot of Leupold Mk 4 scopes in mil and police use where I work, but the truth is you can do better.  Start by reading some of these reviews:
Give this scope some serious consideration before you select.
SWFA SS 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope SWFA SS 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SSHD520X50MQ
  • Patented First Focal Plane Mil-Quad Reticle
  • 30mm
  • HD Model
  • Locking Ocular Adjustment
  • 0.1 Mrad Elevation & Windage
  • 10 Mils Per Revolution
  • 30 Mils Of Total Travel
  • Side Focus
$1,299.95 

If you can get one that is. I am hoping the lack of availability is related to how good it is and not some manufacturing problem
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