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I recently picked on of these up.   My experience with Leupold has been less than grand.  Last one I used was when I was very young on a deer hunting rifle in the early 90s.  Ive since handled a few, tried a few but have always been less than impressed with what you get for the money. 
I wanted to directly compare this scope with the SS 3-9, both cost the same, both have similar features but they still have enough different about them to make them one up each other I guess for a lack of better words.  I put the Leupold on the blaser and the SS on the SPS tactical.  Both are proven one holers and both 308's.  
 
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Stock # - LEU113771
  • Matte
  • FireDot TMR
  • 30mm
  • 1-Button Illumination
  • Motion Sensor
  • Index Matched Lens Coatings
  • Lead-Free Edge-Blackened Lenses
Weight (oz): 15.3
Length (in): 12.6
Eye Relief (in): 4.2 - 3.7
Field of View @ 100 yards (ft): 33.6 - 13.6
Exit Pupil (mm): 9.8 - 4.2
MIL: .1
Finish: Matte
Mounting Space (in): 5.4
 
 
Stock # - SS39X42
  • Matte
  • First Focal Plane Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 0.1 MRAD
 
 
Weight (oz): 19
 
Length (in): 13.1
Eye Relief (mm): 105 - 77
Field of View @ 100yds (ft): 33.2 - 14.51
Exit Pupil (mm): 14 - 4.67
 
 
Biggest differences I can tell you, SS is a FFP scope Leupold is not, and Leupold has illumination SS does not.  Both have a fixed parallax and both are 3-9.  SS does have an extra "2" on the objectives size but thats hardly enough to see a difference in with light gathering ability.  Glass on both are very very similar.
 
Both got shot with about 50 times each yesturday. The SS is a proven scope, had it for a while now.  The Leupold held its own and passed every test I gave it.  I did spin the turrets a lot on it to make sure it was repeatable and performed a box test on it as well, it passed with flying colors.   I did get "lost" in the dial a couple times on the Leupold, the numbers confuse me on the dial.  Hard to explain how they numbered it but I'll try to capture with a picture later and post.
 
I am still testing them an initial judgment tells me that the VXR Patrol is a contender and does change my view on Leupold with this line. 
 
 
More to come
 
Right now it I had $600 bones to spend of my money, it goes to SS.  But this is subjective to only 2 days with the Leupold and the VXR and a long time with the proven SS 3-9


Edited by koshkin - December/19/2011 at 09:53
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Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Looking forward to how these two shake out as time goes on. How much elevation does the Leupold have? I had the SS 3-9 mildot and i liked the scope, when i sold the rifle i also sold the scope. This new reticle has me tempted to get another one. My only complaint is the tunneling on the SS between 3 and 4 power (almost wish they would just make it a 4-9).
How about the turrets between the two and how they feel? On an AR i think i might like the lower profile of the Leupold turrets, but on my SS i had i did like the dual numbers when you got to cranking the knobs (guess you cant have your cake and eat it too).
Any feed back on the illumination in low light? This is not really a deal breaker for me b/c i do very little low light shooting.
Any feed back on the reticle (i realize everybody has their own flavor)? TMR vs. mildot vs. milquad?
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Originally posted by lumberjack149 lumberjack149 wrote:

Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Looking forward to how these two shake out as time goes on. How much elevation does the Leupold have? I had the SS 3-9 mildot and i liked the scope, when i sold the rifle i also sold the scope. This new reticle has me tempted to get another one. My only complaint is the tunneling on the SS between 3 and 4 power (almost wish they would just make it a 4-9).
How about the turrets between the two and how they feel? On an AR i think i might like the lower profile of the Leupold turrets, but on my SS i had i did like the dual numbers when you got to cranking the knobs (guess you cant have your cake and eat it too).
Any feed back on the illumination in low light? This is not really a deal breaker for me b/c i do very little low light shooting.
Any feed back on the reticle (i realize everybody has their own flavor)? TMR vs. mildot vs. milquad?
Tunneling - thats the nature of the beast on a FFP with low power.  no way around it.
Turrets - both have crisp turrets but the SS is better labeled IMO, may be that I'm used to it and not the leupold but like I said, I got kinda lost once or twice with it.
illumination - I'm not sure I've gotten it completly understood yet.  Sometimes I can't "find" the illumination and have to reset it by removing the battery,  what i mean is you press once to toggle from high to low and back so each time you press you go to a different setting.  so when i press the button and can't see the dot I'm assuming its on the lower setting and if I keep pressing it it should brighten up, it sometimes doesnt. The part that really confuses me about this is it remembers your last setting, well I have not used it on lower settings yet so it shouldn't be were i can't see it. I'm still learnin' it I guess.  I'll low light test the illumination later
Reticle- I'm a plain jane kinda fella,  I know mildot, I like mildot.  The TMR is ok but somewhat busy for me.  I won't range with it much so I guess it being SFP isn't to bad.  Its not cluttered with holdovers for elevation and windage but still again a tad to busy for my personal preference. 
 
On a side note.  I did take both outside last night, it was a dark night.  Both again seamed pretty near equal with what I could make out and distinguish.  I did not use the illumination at all so no comment at all on that.  I think I may take the leupold hunting tonight.  More to come.   I will update this thread as often as I can when i get more time with the Leupold.
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Thanks for the review Graham. Excellent
 
I've been looking for 1-4's to put on the incoming 6.8 and while this is a review of the 3-9 it's yet another "win" for the VX-R. I'm glad to hear they're finally catching up with this new line of optics.
 
At $579 on SWFA (vs $799 for the SS) it has the edge in cost but doesn't compromise anything in optical quality from reviews here and around the web.
 
Still want that SS 5-20. Big Grin
 
 
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Good work, Graham. Thanks. 
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That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out argument...


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Super Write up and pictures.. 
I'm still in love with your riffle Love

Thanks Graham.
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had my first hiccup with the Leupold this weekend.  Took it out for a few practice shots and my zero was way off.  I had zero'ed this gun at 100yds and it had always been on.  Didn't matter how much I twisted the dials they always had returned to zero.  Well this time at 100yds I was almost 5" left and 2" low.  Knobs set on "0" for each.  Adjusted and got it back to zero but not sure whats going on.  I checked my mount (talley) and they are torqued correctly so its not loose mounts or rings......  I'm going to recheck zero again today if I have time but it may be the weekend before I can again.  more to come.
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Sounds strange. Good luck (trouble) shooting.
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I'm not sure what would cause it or how it would happen..... I'm at a lost but I'll be giving it a detailed checking soon.

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I fired 2 rounds at lunch today. Both dead on.  looked like the number "8" on the target.  I left the target up and will fire more each day this week I can.  Hopefully this will giive me some feedback were I can make an assesment.
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5 shot string was fired last night with the aid of headlights from the car.  All 5 found the same holes the first two on target made the day before.  Looking like something else may be a factor here and not the scope.

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Well i've put 20+ shots in the same hole since the initial loss of zero.  I am thinking it was a human error.


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Good to hear G. The 1.25-4 is in the running for my 6.8
 
 
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Found the reason for my change in Zero - broke ring.  When to change scopes to put the scope up for sale.  discovered this.
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Get some good rings and that won't happen...
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they were talley

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Did you use a torque wrench or crank it down?
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They were torqued with a wheeler fat wrench to exactly what talley recommended

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yep, they did send me another one out yesturday no questions,
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