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Hello I  have just bought a winchester model 70 featherweight deluxe the 2008 limeted edition, and am looking to put a real nice scope on it.
I am looking at the 2 scopes above and having it engraved and a custom load matched reticle put in--
 
want to know if the vx3 is that much better than the vxII
and what the trade off is with the 40 vs 36 mm objective lens
I could jump to the 40 vx3 but size and price is a bigger jump yet
 
for Comparison my other scopes are:
Pentax WTU 3x9x40---love it
Nikon team primos(monarch) 3x9x40--love it
simmons 4-14x50 ao --- sucked---eye relief--sold it
 
thanks Guys-- 
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the vx3 is probably better than any of the other scopes mentioned in your post and probably is worth the extra cost over the vxII. yeah you lose 4mm of objective size, but the better glass and coatings make up for it i think.
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I agree with Pyro, the VX3 line is in a different league than the vxII, optically speaking that is.  I do realize that budget dictates what we purchase, but if you can afford the VX3, by all means that would be my choice.
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I plan on keeping this for a bit--a long while actually...
 
my main point is that the custom shop is the only(or cheapest) place to get customized??
and that the VX3 jumps the price 135.00 for a smaller objective  and 200 for the same..
I have a simmons pro hunter 4x32 on my slug gun __nice scope quick to target-- But I prefer my 40mm objectives---
Will I notice the vx3 36 as being much smaller--- and will the increased quality off set the size--- better--worse -- same---
thanks guys--FRED
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You only need the objective large enough for the proper exit pupil in the power range. As long as 8 power is enough get the VX3. On a hunting rifle you will probably never hunt on more than 6 power. 6 power times 6 (needed exit pupil) equals 36 which is the objective on the VX3. You can also mount the scope low on your rifle for good cheek weld which makes for better accuracy! VX3 scopes also include dual springs in the erector along with the better coatings. I have a VXll in 3-9x50 and another in 40mm objective, plus the new VX3 in 40. The 3 in 40mm beats the ll in 50mm!
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Don't get so hung up on lens size! Focus on the quality of the lens first.  The smaller better lens will let you hunt in darker conditions than the larger one.  This where we apply the "mother-in-law rule" Do you want bigger or better?

Leupold is one of the few places that has any sort of custom service.  Custom and cheaper do not go together.
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VX-3 Hands down becuase all the above is right better glass is worth the extra $$$$
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ok so I should spring for the VX3-----

opinions on  whether I should get the 2.5-8X32    or move up to the 3.5-10x40
its going on a FEATHERWEIGHT  DELUXE in 270 ---
I am kinda thinking the 2.5-8x32---   as it's the mid priced--  and everything I read on the RIFLE PAGE(chuck hawks) says that this is the optimum scope for big game---
Should be ok for a 300 to 400 yard prong horn hunt---
Thanks for the opinions guys--- Keep Em Coming
 
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ALSO---
for MOUNTS---- I wanted to go with a double dovetail mount--- with BURRIS signature rings---IN LOW-- but they dont make LOW in signature
so Low standard.....or MED SIGNATURE??  
THANKS
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Jersey slayer,
 
The big thing with mounts is not to get too obsessive with the height until you figure how your face matches up with the stock of the rifle. Until you know that, it's all guesswork.
 
A custom riflemaker friend of mine has found that most hunters match well with medium-height rings with most modern riflestocks. You might try the medium Signature--and you might be surprised at the results.
 
The VX-3's are definite step up from the VX-II's. Not only is the glass noticeably better but the adjustments are much more precise and reliable.
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Just my opinion but a .270 130grn projectile (great article somewhere in the ether I believe written by Chuck Hawks) maximum point blank range on a 3 inch target somewhere around 320 yds.  Being a featherweight rifle I am assuming you intend this, no matter the quarry a hunting rifle.  That means if you set the reticle a couple inchess high at a hundred(or whatever the maximum point blank trajectory for this particular cartridge is)  you are gonna get a hundred or so more yds  out of it from point blank range within your effected target area. The REAL GUNS ballistic calculator is best (in my opnion)at helping you to calculate this.  I would personally recommend the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40. For glass quality.  I do not own this scope but have recently from a forum member learned that elsewhere it list at 399.00 and intend to contact SWFA tommorrow for the 110% price match. That is the scope range you are looking at for @ 360.00. And I will bet the overall clarity of the one conquest I do own over VX-3 all day after recently personally comparing them locally.  All that custom reticle busy-ness is worthless in my opinion on a running quartering away whitetail at 300yds. I would probably with my Zeiss Z-plex just shut up and shoot!
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Hi JerseySlayer! I'm in the same boat as you, I just bought the same rifle in 30.06 and am trying to determine what scope and mounts I really want. I can tell you that on our long action M70s that dual dovetail bases will not work with the VX-3 2.5-8X as the tube length between the rings is only 5.1". You would have to get the reversible front base and then that screws up the clean action lines of the rifle. I'm gonna get the regular DD mounts and rings and probably go with the VX-II 3-9X40, or, since I want small and light, I'm thinking of a VX-II 2-7X, which will just fit since it's tube mounting length is 5.2", or the VX-3 1.75-6X which is a bit longer in mounting length. None of these setups will leave much room for adjustment for eye relief though. I may want something totally different tomorrow, so I'm trying to keep an open mind and be patient and do my research. Love the Leupys though. Good luck to you!
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Aoh....wow... That's a really good point Jeff.... Anyone know if the one piece mounts work with this set up??
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ive used one piecers on my m70's and m700's both, right now ive got a one piece on my m700 .264 win mag. ive used one piecers on m70 30-06's too. i think my m70 .375H&H is a two piece.






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I don't believe that the distance between the rings changes from what I've been told on another forum. I think you'd be happy with the VX-3 in 3.5-10X40...I know I would. If you're going to keep it long term, the extra cost will be long forgotten while you can enjoy a fine scope forever. I don't need much for magnification, so I'll probably end up with the VX-3 1.75-6X. Plenty of mounting length, huge field of view at the lower mag, and small and light. I think you're helping me to make up my mind here!
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it depends on if you have reverse-able bases or not. my 22-250 has reverse-able bases so i can use them in one configuration for a 3x9 and then reverse them to make room for my 12x leupold.
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I have a VX-II and just spent a lot of time with a gun shop's VX-3s. The VX-3s are superior scopes.  

@ pyro Which Vortex do you have on that Winchester? I also think your M70 has a 2-piece.

Is that Rem 700 a .375 H&H also? Looks like you've discovered Kick-EEZ to tame whatever it is. Nice stuff.


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that winchester does have a two piece, but i also have had a m70 30-06 that had a one piece base. the scope on my .375H&H is a vortex viper 2x7x32. thats a led sled, kick eez is just a recoil pad. the lead sled is a shooting rest.the m700 is a .264win mag. pretty stock for a factory rifle.


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Yessiree, that is beautiful wood on that Remington. .264 Win Mag is cool, too. 

I'd guess that your Lead Sled extends your range time with the .375H&H somewhat. Sure beats blasting away while scrunched up over a rolled up jacket, no matter what you're shooting.

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yup the barrel gets to dirty to be accurate before i get a sore shoulder.
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