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Originally posted by powderburn powderburn wrote:

Oldtrader wrote "You would think that Leupold would get the message that the VXII is losing to the Conquest" I would be surprised if that is accurate if you could see the real national sales figures.   Heck even though there is a cadre of Leupold haters and Conquest proponents here on the forum it would be interesting to see if the SWAF reps here can confirm which is the best seller for SWAF. I'm betting Leupold. Don't take this as a slam to the Conquest as it is a very nice scope and I would like one. The few I have handled in stores however did not leave the competition as far behind as one might believe from reading this forum imho. The 3x9x40 Conquest also sells for $70 more than the VX-ii 3x9x40 here on the SWAF and that's a bit over 25% which is significant to a lot of buyers. So on a national level I would not be surprised to find that Leupold out sells Zeiss by 4:1 or better. One of the reasons that everyone can share an anecdotal story to show that there are leupold failures out there is that there are thousands of them out there and some of them are pretty long in the tooth. I have 3 and 2 are over 20 years old. Ziess just doesn't have that much mileage on the Conquest yet.
Also O.T. you mentioned that the Leupold didn't have click adj. I believe the VX-ii does have click adj. it's the VX-i that is friction at least according to the info on the SWAF sales info.

so does that mean you only looked through them inside??

further more, i believe there are only two types of people who still purchase leupold scopes.
1. the guys who wear leupold underwear.
2. people who know very little about quality optics.

this argument has gone on, on this site many times, leupold is living off of the past success when they were the top dog. now a days a vxII costs about a much  as conquest and it doesnt even hold a candle to the conquest, people still buy it because of the gold ring "mystique" not because its a better scope. zeiss introduced it first scope to the american  market in 1922 leupold didnt start until 1947. so really if you want to be technical, zeiss has been providing scopes in this country longer than leupold. yeah maybe the conquest hasnt been around for a long time but neither has the vx series, what maybe 10 years now?
leupold has also been living on the premise that its all american built, and we know thats not true either, in fact the conquest is probably as much american made as any leupold.'


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I believe that I was not precise in my terminology earlier when I said that the VXII competes against the Conquest.  That is only in some models of the Conquest and only in price do they compete.  Strategically the Conquest is positioned against the VX3.  My memory is not as sure as it once was but I believe that the VXII, VX3 product release was in response to the Conquest which I first knew about in 2001.  I have some Vari XII and Vari XIII scopes that were made in 2002.  If memory serves me correctly, 2002 was the first that I heard about the VXII, VX3 releases for sale.
 
I gave my son my first Conquest in 2003 that I bought in 2001.  I was impressed that Zeiss was commited to making a scope with European components here in the US.  I make all of my scope comparisons outdoors in natural light.  You don't learn much about color or contrast in fluorescent lighting.  In fact, I have heard that many scope manufacturers balance their coatings for fluorescent lighting color temperature in show rooms.  That is really cheating the customer out of a well balanced scope.
 
I am a retired engineer and really have no sense of sales figures for either company because both are privately owned and both do not give out the information to the likes of me.  The only sales figures that I can talk about are those that I have personally bought.  Since 2002, I have only bought kahles and Zeiss optics.  Except for one Nikon Monarch that I have on my 1895 Marlin.
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VX-3 competes with Conquest. 

VX-II, on the other hand, is not in the same league as Conquest optically.  Conquest blows the -II away.

The fact Leupold chose to keep similar names for their new generations of scopes is the reason for consumer confusion over which scope is in which class. 

The new "VX-II" is a step up from the old "Vari-X II" series, and is comparable to the old "Vari-X III" series.

The "VX-I" series is comparable to the old "Vari-X II" series.

The new "VX-3" series is an improvement on the previous "VX-III," which was an improvement over the previous "Vari-X III."

I think Leupold made a huge mistake by keeping the scope model names so similar.  It causes too much confusion over which series is an improvement over which previous generations and which series are comparable to which scopes from competing brands.  The average shooter probably doesn't realize that "VX-III" and "VX-3" are two totally different scope series.
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I bought a Leupold VX-3 4.5x14x40 30MM Long Range Scope last year....The scope was better than any other Leo I had looked at except for the Newer VX-7... I now have 2 Conquests a 4.5x14x44 Rapid Z 800 and a 3.5x10x44 Rapid Z 600. I no longer have the Leo, it just did not measure up to the Zeiss Conquest. Conquests have way better clarity, also I like the colors better and they pick up more light to my eyes...I have a Swaro American and 2 Kahles Scopes, the Conquests measure up to them all except the Kahles CL  is the best of the bunch.......

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  Not as many Leupold haters here as some think. Putting value aside. For me it's just that if a Leupold doesn't fit the application I need it for I'll look elsewhere. I think that's the way most are here.
  Recently got rid of a Leupold and bought a Vortex. But also bought another Leupold.
  I really do feel that Leupold,for awhile,dropped the ball on keeping up with the technological advancements.  Remember what happened to the Homelite chainsaw?
  Also recently bought my first Conquest.  I'm IMPRESSED!


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I see the VX-II in gun shops for $300 and the lowest priced Conquest (3-9x40) is $400 and up.
The 3-9 Conquest isn't quite the scope that other Conquest models are, having a somewhat more critical eye- position/relief than say, a 3.5-10x44 Conquest and there is quite a price jump with any Conquest above the base 3-9x40.

All scopes I've ever seen embody some sort of performance trade- off, or compromise.
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All of the other optical companies are switching over to 4x, 5x and 6x zoom features on their power ring.  Both the VX3 and Conquest have not changed in 8 years.  These scope lines are behind the time in technology.  I would expect to see them be phased out in the near future

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Given that I've seen my Conquests just SMOKE  my VX-III Leupolds in low light, I have to think that the difference with a VX-II would be even greater.  The Conquest is an excellent low light performer. 
 
So, Conquest.  The only real drawback is the large ocular, which may prevent you mounting it in extra-lows due to bolt clearance.  Then again you'd not be mounting a 3-9x50 Loop in extra-lows either I suppose....
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Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

I see the VX-II in gun shops for $300 and the lowest priced Conquest (3-9x40) is $400 and up.
The 3-9 Conquest isn't quite the scope that other Conquest models are, having a somewhat more critical eye- position/relief than say, a 3.5-10x44 Conquest and there is quite a price jump with any Conquest above the base 3-9x40.

 
Hmm.  I have owned both 3.5-10 and 3-9 Conquests and have found the opposite.  The eye relief is shorter, and head position MORE critical, on the 3.5-10.   In fact, switching from a 3.5-10x44 Conq to a 3-9x40 Conq on my .338 made it a much friendlier-feeling rifle due to the above factors.  The difference was not subtle.
 
And, in direct comparisons in low light, the 3-9x40 hung right with the 3.5-10x44. 
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote blacktails Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/03/2010 at 20:43
Originally posted by JeffO
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<DIV>Hmm.  I have owned both 3.5-10 and 3-9 Conquests and have found the opposite.  The eye relief is shorter, and head position MORE critical, on the 3.5-10.   In fact, switching from a 3.5-10x44 Conq to a 3-9x40 Conq on my .338 made it a much friendlier-feeling rifle due to the above factors.  The difference was not subtle.</DIV>
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<DIV>And, in direct comparisons in low light, the 3-9x40 hung right with the 3.5-10x44. [/QUOTE JeffO
 
Hmm.  I have owned both 3.5-10 and 3-9 Conquests and have found the opposite.  The eye relief is shorter, and head position MORE critical, on the 3.5-10.   In fact, switching from a 3.5-10x44 Conq to a 3-9x40 Conq on my .338 made it a much friendlier-feeling rifle due to the above factors.  The difference was not subtle.
 
And, in direct comparisons in low light, the 3-9x40 hung right with the 3.5-10x44. [/QUOTE wrote:

 
Anybody else experience the same thing, with the 3-9 being more head position friendly than the 3.5-10?
 
Anybody else experience the same thing, with the 3-9 being more head position friendly than the 3.5-10?
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Sorry Jeff I can't agree,I compared my 3-9x40 vs 3.5-10x50.The 50 was higher & let in more light,hence a little better.Given the fact that yours was a 44 bell & mine was a 50 might have been the difference.Just my opion.
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