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Hey, going to get a browning x-bolt 25-06 next month. I'm trying to decide between a leupold vx-ii 3-9x50 or conquest 3-9x40. I plan on hunting deer before low light. thanks for any help. 
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The Conquest is WAY better than the VX-2!  Not even close.  The VX-3 series scopes are more evenly matched to the Conquest.  In that series, I would look at the 2.5-8X36 or the 3.5-10X40.  I would still rather have the Conquest 3-9X40, but the newest VX-3 scopes are very nice and optically pretty comparable to the Conquest.
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+1 on the Conquest, the VXII just can't compete with the Zeiss.
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Thanks for the replies. I was leaning to the conquest. What kind of rings and bases do you suggest?
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 WELCOME to OT,cal!
 
 ALOT of guys are using these now:
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Conquest, no question.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Conquest, no question.
 
 
there you have it !
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Definitely the conquest, hands down Cal. BTW, welcome to OT as well!!
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I have both and it is the Leupold that has been serviced, not the Conquest, ever.
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Another Conquest vote here.
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conquest...worth every penny
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I had a VX-II and have 2 Conquests.
There's a reason for that...
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Another +1 for Conquest..
 
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You would think that Leupold would get the message that the VXII is losing to the Conquest and would start a more robust mechnical redesign and better glass and refractive matchupin the optics to improve clarity and contrast.  In addition to beefing up their erector design.  The non clicking windage and elevation knobs bothers me because it show a lack or regard for precision. and lack of repeatability.  They make a less that steller scope to get people to buy their VX3.  But the junk that they sell at VXII and below is shamefull.  Maybe it worked ten yeas ago with their maketing blitz here they fooled enough poeple and there were no the choices in optics but it is not working now. 
 
If you have a VXII fail in the field are you going to buy the same brand that failed or are you going to buy a Conquest of Swarovski Z3 or maybe some variation of the Minox ZA4 or ZA5.  For $399 to $500 you get  3-9x40, or a 2-10x42 (5x) scope that has great optical clarity and click adjusment that return to zero with no issues.  The actually click 1/4 inch which is surprizing because mot European scopes click 5 to 7 mm.
 
I just bought a MInox ZA5 2-10x42 scope and did the box test with it yesterday and dailed various load scope settings and it repeated righ back to where it should through all the tecting.  W&E Knobs are easy to read and are prominant .  The only downside for the scope was the light construction.  We will see how this scope hold up on a .338 Federal which I shoot alot.  The knob interface feels a little sloopy but does changs windage and elevation to where you put it with clicks that are spot on accurate


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I hope Minox is listening,I have a Z5 4-20x50,I encounted the same with the turrets.Great glass & rigth on box test.Also have a very good customer responce...
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Originally posted by cal2506 cal2506 wrote:

Thanks for the replies. I was leaning to the conquest. What kind of rings and bases do you suggest?

Welcome to the OT forum, cal2506.

The Burris Signature rings are highly regarded. They will not mar your scope's finish and have optional inserts to correct alignment problems and/or preset elevation- sort of like a 20 degree base.
http://swfa.com/Burris-Signature-Rings-C633.aspx
Burris recently added a trick quick- detach ring to their ZEE ring line... haven't seen that ring in the Signature Zee's yet, however.
The only drawback to the standard Signature Zee rings is that they use a slotted screw to attach ring to base. They are reported to work well when mounted on .50BMG, so no worries.


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Originally posted by Oldtrader3 Oldtrader3 wrote:

You would think that Leupold would get the message that the VXII is losing to the Conquest
 
The VXII is expected to lose to the Conquest. The new VX3 is what they are putting against the Conquest.
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the conquest and the 25-06 should be a great combo

remember the 25-06 has some long legs it's one of

those with around a 300 yard PBR hoooooraaa....

If you ever think of whacking things past 350 you might
consider some 4X12 stuff........just a thought....
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Oldtrader wrote "You would think that Leupold would get the message that the VXII is losing to the Conquest" I would be surprised if that is accurate if you could see the real national sales figures.   Heck even though there is a cadre of Leupold haters and Conquest proponents here on the forum it would be interesting to see if the SWAF reps here can confirm which is the best seller for SWAF. I'm betting Leupold. Don't take this as a slam to the Conquest as it is a very nice scope and I would like one. The few I have handled in stores however did not leave the competition as far behind as one might believe from reading this forum imho. The 3x9x40 Conquest also sells for $70 more than the VX-ii 3x9x40 here on the SWAF and that's a bit over 25% which is significant to a lot of buyers. So on a national level I would not be surprised to find that Leupold out sells Zeiss by 4:1 or better. One of the reasons that everyone can share an anecdotal story to show that there are leupold failures out there is that there are thousands of them out there and some of them are pretty long in the tooth. I have 3 and 2 are over 20 years old. Ziess just doesn't have that much mileage on the Conquest yet.
Also O.T. you mentioned that the Leupold didn't have click adj. I believe the VX-ii does have click adj. it's the VX-i that is friction at least according to the info on the SWAF sales info.
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Originally posted by powderburn powderburn wrote:

Oldtrader wrote "You would think that Leupold would get the message that the VXII is losing to the Conquest" I would be surprised if that is accurate if you could see the real national sales figures.   Heck even though there is a cadre of Leupold haters and Conquest proponents here on the forum it would be interesting to see if the SWAF reps here can confirm which is the best seller for SWAF. I'm betting Leupold. Don't take this as a slam to the Conquest as it is a very nice scope and I would like one. The few I have handled in stores however did not leave the competition as far behind as one might believe from reading this forum imho. The 3x9x40 Conquest also sells for $70 more than the VX-ii 3x9x40 here on the SWAF and that's a bit over 25% which is significant to a lot of buyers. So on a national level I would not be surprised to find that Leupold out sells Zeiss by 4:1 or better. One of the reasons that everyone can share an anecdotal story to show that there are leupold failures out there is that there are thousands of them out there and some of them are pretty long in the tooth. I have 3 and 2 are over 20 years old. Ziess just doesn't have that much mileage on the Conquest yet.
Also O.T. you mentioned that the Leupold didn't have click adj. I believe the VX-ii does have click adj. it's the VX-i that is friction at least according to the info on the SWAF sales info.

so does that mean you only looked through them inside??

further more, i believe there are only two types of people who still purchase leupold scopes.
1. the guys who wear leupold underwear.
2. people who know very little about quality optics.

this argument has gone on, on this site many times, leupold is living off of the past success when they were the top dog. now a days a vxII costs about a much  as conquest and it doesnt even hold a candle to the conquest, people still buy it because of the gold ring "mystique" not because its a better scope. zeiss introduced it first scope to the american  market in 1922 leupold didnt start until 1947. so really if you want to be technical, zeiss has been providing scopes in this country longer than leupold. yeah maybe the conquest hasnt been around for a long time but neither has the vx series, what maybe 10 years now?
leupold has also been living on the premise that its all american built, and we know thats not true either, in fact the conquest is probably as much american made as any leupold.'


rant off carry on.Light It Up


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I believe that I was not precise in my terminology earlier when I said that the VXII competes against the Conquest.  That is only in some models of the Conquest and only in price do they compete.  Strategically the Conquest is positioned against the VX3.  My memory is not as sure as it once was but I believe that the VXII, VX3 product release was in response to the Conquest which I first knew about in 2001.  I have some Vari XII and Vari XIII scopes that were made in 2002.  If memory serves me correctly, 2002 was the first that I heard about the VXII, VX3 releases for sale.
 
I gave my son my first Conquest in 2003 that I bought in 2001.  I was impressed that Zeiss was commited to making a scope with European components here in the US.  I make all of my scope comparisons outdoors in natural light.  You don't learn much about color or contrast in fluorescent lighting.  In fact, I have heard that many scope manufacturers balance their coatings for fluorescent lighting color temperature in show rooms.  That is really cheating the customer out of a well balanced scope.
 
I am a retired engineer and really have no sense of sales figures for either company because both are privately owned and both do not give out the information to the likes of me.  The only sales figures that I can talk about are those that I have personally bought.  Since 2002, I have only bought kahles and Zeiss optics.  Except for one Nikon Monarch that I have on my 1895 Marlin.
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VX-3 competes with Conquest. 

VX-II, on the other hand, is not in the same league as Conquest optically.  Conquest blows the -II away.

The fact Leupold chose to keep similar names for their new generations of scopes is the reason for consumer confusion over which scope is in which class. 

The new "VX-II" is a step up from the old "Vari-X II" series, and is comparable to the old "Vari-X III" series.

The "VX-I" series is comparable to the old "Vari-X II" series.

The new "VX-3" series is an improvement on the previous "VX-III," which was an improvement over the previous "Vari-X III."

I think Leupold made a huge mistake by keeping the scope model names so similar.  It causes too much confusion over which series is an improvement over which previous generations and which series are comparable to which scopes from competing brands.  The average shooter probably doesn't realize that "VX-III" and "VX-3" are two totally different scope series.
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I bought a Leupold VX-3 4.5x14x40 30MM Long Range Scope last year....The scope was better than any other Leo I had looked at except for the Newer VX-7... I now have 2 Conquests a 4.5x14x44 Rapid Z 800 and a 3.5x10x44 Rapid Z 600. I no longer have the Leo, it just did not measure up to the Zeiss Conquest. Conquests have way better clarity, also I like the colors better and they pick up more light to my eyes...I have a Swaro American and 2 Kahles Scopes, the Conquests measure up to them all except the Kahles CL  is the best of the bunch.......

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  Not as many Leupold haters here as some think. Putting value aside. For me it's just that if a Leupold doesn't fit the application I need it for I'll look elsewhere. I think that's the way most are here.
  Recently got rid of a Leupold and bought a Vortex. But also bought another Leupold.
  I really do feel that Leupold,for awhile,dropped the ball on keeping up with the technological advancements.  Remember what happened to the Homelite chainsaw?
  Also recently bought my first Conquest.  I'm IMPRESSED!


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