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I bought a .300WM that I want to top with a decent scope.  I love the SS 3-9x42 on my FNAR, but I want a little more mag this time around.  95% of time it will be used for hunting.

I can get a good "sample list" deal on the Z3 4-12x50  or for the same money I can get the VX6 2-12x42.

I like the idea of 2x on the low end, but I like the idea of 50mm objective for light gathering.  I know that both will get me past legal hunting hours.  My SS 3-9 does this easily ( I could hunt at night if I had moonlight).  This leads me to believe that the 42mm vs 50mm shouldn't be a deciding factor.

Which has better glass?  I'm looking at ~ $800 for either.  I'm having trouble finding a good comparison of these scopes.  There doesn't seem to be a lot of info out on the VX6.

It's amazing how optics decisions can somehow feel life altering.

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I have the Z3 scope, and I like the optical performance a lot.  Centerfield performance is astounding.  The sweet spot is nice, but the image falls off at the edges like many riflescopes. 
The best part of my Z3 is the reticle:  the BRH reticle.  The BRH is a BDC reticle that is subtended in mils, and so is easy to dope for your load.  The windage bars are nice also.
 
Another nice feature of the Z3 is it is light and feels compact for a 50mm objective scope.
 
I had this scope on my 300 Ultra Sendero (the elkinator), but I am moving it to a 7mm magnum build I am doing on a Savage 110 I found.  This rifle will be a more traditional hunting rifle in form (compared to the Sendero), and I think the Z3 will be a nice match for it.
 
I haven't seen the VX-6, but it seems like it has a nice set of features and a good company to back it up.  If the optical quality is there, it will be a fine scope.
 
the Z3 is a top-end scope at a moderate price.
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I have not had the chance to see the VX6 but have had good reports from those who have.  Like you mentioned I think it would be really nice to have that 2x on the low end.
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The Z3 4-12-50mm with BRH retical is a great scope.  I have one on my Browning X-Bolt in .243 which I do some deer hunting but mostly varmit hunting here in the southeast US.  This is my first 50mm and it gathers a lot more light at dusk and dawn and you can count points with this scope and not just tell if a deer has antlers.  The view and sweet spot out of it is awsome.  This is my first move from Leupolds which I have used for the past 20 years and I'm very impressed.  My next scope with be a Swarovski 30mm.  Can't beat the view out of them.
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my 2 cents is the versatility of the 2-12 would seal the deal for me if the optics are close
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Originally posted by Cooper25 Cooper25 wrote:

my 2 cents is the versatility of the 2-12 would seal the deal for me if the optics are close

This was my thinking if the optics are close, but unfortunately there hasn't been a good comparison.  A forum member has one, but hasn't reported back on wha the thinks.  The z3 on the sample list for $799 is tempting.
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Just flip a coin.Either will be stellar and you will probably hear a lot of reports either way on which is better,depending on the personal bias. My advice would be to wait a bit and go with the Leupold if initial reports are good just to get 2X on the low end.
 
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If you do get the Leupold,please invite me over to look through it in low light.Howdy 
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In my opinion,the argument for better glass is definately the Swarovski Z3.I have owned one and compared it to one of my Leupold's in a similar configuration.I own several Leupold scopes and find them do be rugged and well built but to me they lack both in low light and sharpness performance.I recently was deer hunting with a rifle that I traded for that had a vx-3 3.5-10x40 and as I looked through the scope I remember thinking-wow;how unvibrant and dull the woods look after having hunted so much with the European scopes.My eyes definately know the difference.Fromm what I read there is is nothing really different or improved as far as the vx-6's glass or coatings as say compared to a vx-3;plus the vx-6 is kinda expensive.Also consider the z3 in a 3-10x42 with a 4a reticle.If possible do a side by side.
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If glass is better in the z3, is there any other reason to go with the high-end Leupold other than increased field of view at low mag?
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I sent my VX6 to a buddy to have him test it alongside these scopes he has on hand.......

Zeiss Victory Diavari 2.5-10x42mm
Swarovski Z3 3-10x42mm
Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x44mm and 3-9x40mm
Kahles Helia CSX 2.5-10x50mm,

I'm interested to get his take on it. 
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Is there any concern for the Z3 sitting on a hard kicker like the 300WM?  Seems like I remember something about that.  Or was that the previous generation?
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Good question. The more I read, the more I see the z3 is in a lightweight package. This may be the reson for the z5 line. If this is the case, then swaro is out of my spending range.
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

Is there any concern for the Z3 sitting on a hard kicker like the 300WM?  Seems like I remember something about that.  Or was that the previous generation?
 
I've got over 100 rounds of 300 RUM on mine, no issues.
 
Originally posted by djp0623 djp0623 wrote:

Good question. The more I read, the more I see the z3 is in a lightweight package. This may be the reson for the z5 line. If this is the case, then swaro is out of my spending range.
 
Lightweight scopes often resist recoil better than heavier scope, due to the decreased inertia.
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Good question. The more I read, the more I see the z3 is in a lightweight package. This may be the reson for the z5 line. If this is the case, then swaro is out of my spending range.
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I pulled the trigger on the Vx6 with the plex reticle today.  Not sure if I'll end up keeping it, but I couldn't pass on the price.  A friend has many high end scopes Zeiss , S&B, and Swaro both new models and old.  He's currently swapping everything to Z6, from diavari, and PH series.

I'm going to let him give his opinion.  He hunts all over,and all different terrain.  Open plains, mountains, klondike, for a variety of animals white tail, moose, elk, carrabou, mountain goat (that may have just disgraced the actual animal, but it looks lile a goat with big horns to me :))

He's a swaro fan, but I think he'll give me an honest report and if I should send it back for a Z3.  I'll post his review to add to the scarce info out there.  Hopefully it will be here soon, but I'm not sure where it is shipping from.
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

I sent my VX6 to a buddy to have him test it alongside these scopes he has on hand.......

Zeiss Victory Diavari 2.5-10x42mm
Swarovski Z3 3-10x42mm
Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x44mm and 3-9x40mm
Kahles Helia CSX 2.5-10x50mm,

I'm interested to get his take on it. 


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Here's the conclusion to my friend's comparison. 

The Zeiss Conquest is clearly a step below the VX6.

So the battle was between the VX6 and the Swarovski Z3 3-10x42mm

During normal daylight, both scopes appear to be almost a draw. The Swaro did edge it out (barely), but I feel this could be subject. Really too close to call.

However, once the sun goes down, it's a different story. Testing the scopes side by side 10 minutes after legal sunset showed that the Swarovski does slightly edge out the VX6. The Swaro appears slightly brighter, and the resolution is better.
As stated previously, the VX-6 has the most generous eye relief, eye box, and FOV. It's quite easy to get behind, and the FOV is simply wonderful.

One would still have no difficulty with killing game 30 minutes past sunset with the VX6.
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Thanks for the final word. Sound like I made a good choice purchasing the vx6.

Is there any word as to how they compare structurally? Its probably a wash.

Well, for the price, I think I will be more than happy with the zx6. Im also glad to hear that it is noticably better than the conquest. How close was the margin after sunset. I guess the results shouldny be surprising with the larger objective of the z3. Im trying to quantify the difference.
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I've been very impressed with how favorably my Vx3 performs in comparison to the Conquest, Swaro A, etc.  The VX6 is better yet, and with 20MOA per turn of the dial It's going to be lots of fun launching stuff at hogs, 'yotes, etc, and occasionally a deer under the right conditions of course.  Please keep us posted on what you think of your VX6 the longer you have it if you don't mind.  
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

I've been very impressed with how favorably my Vx3 performs in comparison to the Conquest, Swaro A, etc.  The VX6 is better yet, and with 20MOA per turn of the dial It's going to be lots of fun launching stuff at hogs, 'yotes, etc, and occasionally a deer under the right conditions of course.  Please keep us posted on what you think of your VX6 the longer you have it if you don't mind.  


What do you think are the noticeable improvements the V-X 6 have over V-X 3??
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IMO:  fast focus euro style focuser, eybox is even better than my VX3 which is very good already, eye relief at higher powers is less critical, FOV seems better, 20MOA per 1 turn of the dial (I like the CDS personally), glass is noticeably better, even though the VX3 will get me past legal shooting light already.  
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Do you have any updates now that you've owned the scope for a while?< id="_clearly_component__" ="text/">#next_pages_container { width: 5px; hight: 5px; position: absolute; top: -100px; left: -100px; z-index: 2147483647 !important; }

I am torn between these exact same options (Swaro Z3 4-12x50 BT & Leupold VX-6 2-12x44 CDS).

My issue is that no retailers in my area carry the VX-6 (including Cabelas and Bass Pro Shops) so I have to order it online.  This prevents me from looking through it in a side by side comparison.  

I'd love your thoughts after several months of use.  
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