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I am compareing two scopes, and they are the Leupold Mk4 PR 3x9x40 (great optics) and a Burris Fullfield II 3x9x40 there is a diffrence of about $75 bucks a friend of mine said to stay with the Leupold but several people at Gun Shops said you are paying for the name, I know the Fal is a tactical piece but I would like to go a fair distance 400mtrs and I have been told that the 3x9 won't get me there (8in target) they said a 4x14 would be the minimum but now the price jumps to about $525-600 bucks (about what I payed for the gun) how far can my Fal clone shoot effectively and is the 4x14 a waste of money

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Nice selections for your FAL

Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40 Matte Finish, Plex Reticle......$187.95

 

Leupold's all new Mark 4, Precision Rifle 3-9x40 Matte Finish, Target Knobs, Duplex Reticle......$359.95

 

The new Mark PR has been upgraded from when it was under the Tactical series.  The new version has Multicoat 4 coated lenses making it considerably brighter than the previous version.  I don't think there is much debate as to if the Mark 4 PR is a better scope when compared to the Fullfield II, because the Leupold is better.  You do pay a premium for the name (really the premium is for the warranty), both are lifetime but Leupold's is transferable and never questioned.  Burris' warranty dept. is a crap shoot if you have to deal with them.  The Leupold also has full target knobs allowing you to easily change poi in the field, the Burris does not.

 

3-9 is plenty of magnification for 400 meter shooting with a FAL of course there's nothing wrong with a 4-14 if you can spare the extra money.  Going to this power in the Leupold will also upgrade you into a VX-III Mark 4 PR.  Here's the way I think when comparing a 3-9 to a 4-14.  First ask yourself, "What does the 3-9 have that the 4-14 does not?".  It has 3x.  Then ask yourself, "What does the 4-14 have that the 3-9 does not?"  It has 10x, 11x, 12x, 13x and 14x.  Now the final question, "What am I more likely to use?...3x or 10x, 11x, 12x, 13x and 14x?"  Obviously the choice is simple.  If you can afford to go 4-14 over 3-9 do it every time.

 

Also consider the Burris with the Ballistic Plex bullet drop reticle because not only is the reticle better than a plex but it comes with a FREE spotter.

Burris 3-9x40 Matte Finish, Ballistic Plex Reticle, comes with FREE 20x50 Burris Spotting Scope......$197.95

 

Also consider the Leupold with a mil dot reticle because it will allow you to determine the range to your target which will allow you to compensate for bullet drop.

Leupold's all new Mark 4 Precision Rifle 3-9x40 Matte Finish, Target Knobs, Mil Dot Reticle....$449.95

 

The best scope of the bunch would be the Leupold Mark 4 PR, the best deal or "bang for your buck" is the Ballistic Plex combo deal.

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I own the predecessor, the Leu 3-9x40mm Vari-X II Tactical, and recently the Burris Fullfield II Combo. The Burris 3-9x40 adjusts 12 clicks for 4 MOA in the verticle, and 15 for 4MOA in the horizontal. The Leu tracks 16 clicks per 4MOA in either direction. The freebie spotting scope has so little eye relief it is very hard to use on a lightweight tripod... and there's no point putting a compact lightweight spotter on a heavy tripod!

The Leu riflescope is reliable and clear and the Burris is very clear and I'm sure will prove reliable (haven't had it long yet). So you get what you pay for, the $179 scope is a good deal for $179 and the Leu a good deal for more than twice that. Now compare it to a Burris Signature Select and you may have a horse race, with any difference in price being the warranty, as Chris stated.



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I am in the same Leupold vs. Burris quandry.  Specifically I am trying to decide between the Fullfield II (with free spotter) 3x9 and the Leupold VX-1 3x9.  Is the Leupold worth the extra $20 over the Burris?  Even after including the free spotter?  I plan to mount the scope on a Winchester Model 70 Super Shadow in .270WSM.  I assume both scopes can handle the recoil.  From what I have read on these forums and others, the Leupold probably offers better service if I should have any problems with it, while the Burris is a tremendous bargain, given the current special offer of a free spotting scope.  I also like the Ballistic plex reticle, but am not sure about the entire eyepiece rotating to change power on the the scope.  Since my rifle is a matte finish with black matte synthetic stock, I plan on a matte finish scope to go in my Leupold STD rings and bases.  Bottom line question, is the Leupold VX-1 as bright, clear and reliable as the Burris Fullfield II in 3x9?  Is there a better option in the same price range?  Appreciate any additional responses.  Thanks.
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From what I have been able to gather the Burris Fullfield II is as good as the VX1 and II but the warranty dept. is a crap shoot and as far as the spotter I have hear that it has terrible eye relief, I ended up shooting my wad on the Leupold 4x14x14 Mark 4 PR with the duplex recticle $$ I be putting this on a FAL Clone and I want to go out about 600yds and the Leupold optics are Great for the money
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Well, with an FAL clone, you run the risk of buying way too much scope for a gun that can only shoot 2-3 moa.  At one point, I had 3 FALs from kits...and while I loved shooting them, and they were very reliable, they weren't particularly accurate.  While a few people claim moa accuracy out of a FAL, if it's true, most likely that's a DSA, not a clone. 

 

I'd try to put something on there from another rifle, and play around with different kinds of ammo...if it turns out you're only gonna get 4moa, it seems a waste to put a $500 scope on there.  I Nikon Buckmaster in 4.5x14 would do everything that gun is capable of, for less than $300.  I've got one, and I think it's actually clearer by a hair than my Fullfield II in the same magnification.  They make a Buckmaster in 3x10 w/ a mildot reticle, iirc, or you might look at the Super Snipers...$300 with the rear focus.  I've just got one of those, and it's not bad...not as clear as the Nikon or the Burris, but it's very sturdy and would look great on an FAL.

 

That's about the extent of what I'd recommend unless you find that thing hovering around the moa mark.  I hope you do, but chances are you won't see that.  All of mine were doing around 2-3 moa, scoped, with handloads as well as milsurp. 

 

BTW, the Hirtenberger and Portuguese ammo seemed the best stuff in my rifles. 

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Yes,it is true that I most likely will only get 2-3 moa out of my FAL Clone but I wanted to buy the best glass I could afford because although I may trade rifles more than likely the glass will stay with me and go on a better piece
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