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I now own three Leupold scopes.  A 3x9 40mm VX-II, a 1.5x5 20mm VX-III and a 2.5x8 36mm VX-III.  Prior to obtaining these scopes, my only experience with Leupolds, was the occasional use of one on a buddies rifle.  They always had decent optics, but because everybody, or at least the vast majority of people I know, who spend the extra dollar on a good scope, buys Leupold.  For that reason and because they were always more expensive for an equal or better quality scope of another brand, I stayed away from buying them, purchased and recommended purchasing others.  Now that I have owned and used these three scopes, my perspective has changed somewhat.  First, they are well built scopes with quality optics, aside from the VX-II that is easily out classed by my Bushnell legend in the same configuration.  The two VX-IIIs are mounted on a 458 win. mag. and a 375 RUM respectively, with the latter being a much harder kicker than the former.  While, I have not put many rounds through each, they are doing well and with their type of warranty, one reason for their purchase, I do not worry.  Price, was not that bad through SWFA, especially when trying to find a reasonably priced scope with the kind of eye relief that was needed and that these have.  Any less eye relief would be a short coming with these rifles.  Believe me, they produce some prodigious recoil.  But, I love recoil and the thrill that shooting these rifles bring.  It may not be for everybody, but it is for me.  Comparing the optics to my other scopes, it is a toss up with my Elite 4200, Sightron SII and Nikon Monarchs and maybe just slightly better.  I would have to get them out do a side by side comparison.  Point is, is that they are good.  They start to approach the Trijicon TR-22, but do not quite get there.  Of course the different size of the optics, make it difficult to compare.  The other thing.  They are made in America.  I do not mind the Japanese glass, some of the best in the world.  Its hard to find anything completely made from all American parts made in the USA.  But, with the economy and trade deficit, it makes me feel good to buy a well made American product.  Now, I would not buy a piece of junk American made product, just because it was made here.  Overall, I am not going to quit buying the Elite 4200s, Monarchs and Sightron SIIs that I love, but I will give Leupolds a much stronger look each time and if I can find one that is not way over priced compared to the competition, I will probably go for the Leupold.

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In doing a side by side comparison between my new 1.5-5x20 VX3 (going on an M1500 .375 Ruger) and my 3x9 Elite 4200, it is difficult to discern any differences in resolution, clarity, contrast and brightness! The 4200 with its larger objective may eek out a fraction more in the brightness category, but not even close enough to worry about!......................On an all black rifle, that Leupy gold ring won`t look to bad either!
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I agree with all of that. Leupolds are a good scope, have good ( if not sometimes, TOO MUCH) eye relief, look nice and are well built.  I don't care where they're built. Made in America does not ALWAYS mean BETTER----unless we are talking about wratchet wrenches!
 
Leupolds are lightweight, have lots of reticles, and they will fix broken scopes in Oregon.  I used to think they cost too much over the past twenty five years---but they have finally decided to upgrade their optics, and since everyone else also costs too much---they are beginning to be a more competitive product.  A Leupold would never be my first choice, unless there was a "mounting" issue that only a Leupold could work in,  but I ain't AGAINST them.  I have gotten real tired of all the gushing and golly-ing from the so-called gun writers, and I have certainly noticed Leupold's smarmy ads over the years--which is a far cry from the innocent, non-offensive ads of the sixties when the ads used to say: "You'll be glad you have a Leupold when that big buck jumps up in the woods!" 
 
But, they are a good scope.  Way over-hyped.  Leupold should change their advertising agency to appeal more to the "common man".  ( But, maybe, the common man nowadays wants an ego-trip.....maybe the ad agencies know more than I do. They sell a lot of scopes, I guess.  In another Hundred Years or so, they might even catch up with Weaver!!!)  HA! Smile                  --Ed
 
 
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on the subject of leupold riflescopes .i would like to add my 2 cents. this forum certainly dislikes the leupold brand as is evident by their posts and replies but it seems that onlt the best product in a given field are compared against the others and that riflescope is ALWAYS a leupold. for a scope that is not very well recieved they seem to be doing very well .

another writer stated that leupold would be better off promoting the lower end of the playing field. i also agree with thisbut on this forum i constantly hear the participants promoting ziess and kahles and other "high end " scopes ,so you confuse me??  also mostly high end ,full horsepower powwer varibles again confused. yea i am new but i hear more biased opinions than actuall scientific answers
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One doesn't have to be a scientist to tell the difference between what one is seeing through one riflescope or another while shooting tin cans or deer hunting. You don't need to be a Ph.D. to discover that lots of other brands can beat a Leupold, or at least, do the same thing, for less money and a whole hell of a lot less hype.  
 
I don't dislike Leupold. I dislike brainwashed people trying to tell me that they are the best in the world and that , in order for me to express my opinion about them, that I must do so from an optics laboratory somewhere. THAT'S a lot of horse manure.
 
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I'll probably get beat on a little here but I will speak my mind anyway. I recently purchased a Long Range Leu 4.5-14X50 side focus with the 30mm tube. Its one of the few scopes I have purchased that didn't come from SWFA. I bought it new in the box, delivered to my door, for less than 6 bills. I compared it side by side in low light with my Swarovski PH and yes there was some difference but in my opinion not another 600 dollars worth. I was very impressed. Both scopes were bright and very clear. The PH was brighter as expected but then it has a 56mm objective. Leupold makes a good product. Its made in the USA and cosmetically, usually looks pretty good mounted on any rifle. I own 2 of them, both in the VX-III line. I don't think I would buy any Leupold scope not in the VX-III line but thats just my preference for quality reasons below and price reasons above. While I might not buy one for my favorite "go to - grocery gitter" rifle, they certainly have their place in my gun cabinet.
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Originally posted by littlevineyard1 littlevineyard1 wrote:

on the subject of leupold riflescopes .i would like to add my 2 cents. this forum certainly dislikes the leupold brand as is evident by their posts and replies

 
LV, I respectfully disagree with your assesment. 
 
I actually started a thread a while back asking if this forum was anti Leupold and as far as I'm concerned, when we got right down to it, we concluded that this forum doesn't "dislike" Leupold, but rather several here "prefer" other optics.
 
I will never understand how if you prefer a brand other than Leupold, this somehow translates to "bashing". Whacko
This anomaly only seems consistant with Leupold's and their fans.   
 
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most of the forum contributers here don't bash leo, in fact they go to a great deal of detail (far to much for me, as to why their choice deviates from the standard-- the gold ring). If you took a survey of which scopes were the most trouble free, and those that causes the most, leo would win on both ends. simply gives some idea as to  the amount of them out there. That few other manufact. could even deal with a problem of this magnitude, gives a very insightful picture of their 3 level marketing system.
there will continue to be scopes better and worse.  if you got a leo you like great, if not get one--- just kidding.
 
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There's nothing wrong with Leupold scopes.  Sometimes they just don't represent the most bang for the buck.  But, they do have a huge selection, and they produce some scope configs that other manufacturers don't have competing models for.  I do think the 2 VX-III models Dolphin has -- the 1.5-5X20 and 2.5-8X36 -- are among their better "niche" scopes.  They, along with the VX-III 1.75-6X32, offer a nice combination of compactness, good optics, and reasonable price in magnification ranges that are neglected by many other manufacturers.


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Rifledude and Martin understand my points.  But, what I have learned, is that I was biased against the Leupold name, for the reasons that I stated.  I do not own a Kahles or Zeiss, so I cannot comment specifically about how they compare, but, I do know that the VX-IIIs that I have purchased are excellent and were reasonably priced.  As rifledude and martin agreed, their lineup is extensive and if you cannot find the scope you need for your present application, you are unlikely to find it in another manufacturers model line.  Plus, the eye relief.  Nothing compares in the models that I bought.  And, as I said, anything less would have been a short coming.  Yes, I think I am becoming a Leupold fan and when I buy a scope, if Leupold has a competing model that is priced reasonably close, I will buy the Leupold
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I have a friend who swears by Leupold and that is the only brand he buys now, and he won't hesitate to buy a used one because of their warrenty. I have a Leupold and I was always happy with it. I bought a Zeiss and I was impressed with how bright and clear it was over the Leupold. That don't mean that Leupold is crap. Leupold builds tough scopes with really good turrets and IMO they have an edge on the Conquest here. It all depends what you want the scope for, and who is paying for it. I think Leupolds are over priced; but they can get it because people will pay it. If you sell as many scopes as they do with their warrenty, you may want to ask more for them. If my agency ever starts a SRT unit and they ask me for scope recommendations, I'll start with Schmidt&Bender but be happy with Leupold Mk 4s ( knowen this place, if I started with Leupys we'd end up with 3x9 Tascos in blister packs).
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I have tested my leupolds against several other scopes. To date the glass in the Leupold has not stood out against any model. It is no better, no worse. The reason to buy a Leupold has to be elsewhere. Choice of reticules, models, reliability, tracking etc.
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8shots I agree. There are several Mk4s, and VX-IIIs that I like for reasons other than their glass. Their glass has consistent quality but it's not the best, but they are tough scopes and you can find one that will fit almost any need you have. My only complaint is the price. But if I wanted Leupold's strengths with Zeiss quality glass I would be paying Schmidt&Bender prices. What do you want and how much do you have.Beating%20a%20Dead%20Horse
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zeiss must be reading the posts, as the comparable 6.5x20 conquest would run 1079 as the leo varmit V3 would be 879. good thing the conquest is only 1 inch tube and has plastic turrets or it could easily go 1279 or more
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 I have had, and still have a number of Leupold scopes. They are excellent scopes with even a more impressive customer service. I know they are assembled here but I do not believe that their optics originate in the U.S. anymore.   I heard at one time that the lens source is the Light Optical Co. in Japan. That is if I am not mistaken the same people that produce the Nightforce Scope. They will make optics to your specification and establish a price point accordingly. Whatever the case I like their products. Recently  I bought an IOR Valdada scope and am quite impressed with the clarity and resolution of the Schott Optics. They have a long way however to match Leupold's world famous guarantee and customer response time.
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Leupold's CS and offerings are probably second to none - they have the best SELECTION of power and reticles out there - kudos to them for that.

BUT, all i hear about is how great their customer service is, and seemingly most everyone that chimes in about it, has HAD experience w/ their customer service dept.
 
my thoughts are: i have owned many zeiss, nikon, bushnell 4200's, etc - even TASCO world class and have NEVER had to send a scope back to anyone for anything - and i am very rough on my gear - on top of that - my pals have owned kahles, swaro, and even more zeiss and have NEVER had to send their stuff back.  I am just wondering if it's such a damn good product, why does everyone use their CS dept?
 
I wouldn't hesitate to buy leupold, in fact, they are on a short list for a brushgun scope and probably will have the perfect config for me. Just curious as to how so many folks have used the CS dept.
 
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                                 Put me down for once in 20+ yrs.  Sent one back last year for a tight AO ring. Otherwise scope tested out fine.
 
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In my case I have used Leupold Services for damages I was responsible for. (Falling with my rifle). Repairs were carried out free of charge, no questions asked. I also sent a scope in to have a scope checked for parallax error. Non was found, scope returned with good turnaround time, no charges to me.
So I think a lot of dealings with Leupold Service are for reasons other then product failure on their part.  Because it is a free, no questions asked service, Leupold owners make use of this. Very few other manufacturers offer this service.


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That makes perfect sense to me.  Good to hear.
 
I am sure that policy gets taken advantage of.
 
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              I advise those who buy used Leupolds to send them in just for a check/tune up. This could add numbers to CS usage also.
 
                                                          
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Customer service also comes into play when people send in scopes for modification, reticle change, different adjustments, parallax changes, ect.  I think alot of peoples experience comes from those situations as well.  This is also another reason many choose Leupold over other brands, even if you disagree that the lenses aren't the best, try sending your 10 year old Nikon in for a reticle change ( that is, if it still works)Yep,%20Thought%20So.  IMO the draw to Leupold is quality, consitancy, service, and the freedom of hundreds of options and configurations.

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Leupold CS gets used a lot because they sell so many scopes.  I don't know what percentage of the scope market they have, but it's bound to be high.  Plus, they've been around a long time.  There's probably more Leupolds out there than Zeiss, Nikon, Kahles, and S&B put together.  I've been using them for 40 years and have never had to send one back.
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My favorite Leupold is a VX-II 6x18x40 LRV I have mounted on a Ruger #1 220 Swift. I own two other Leupold's. I own Trijicon, Zeiss, Bushnell, Burris, Nikon and others, they all serve their purpose I am the first to try something different. Its the recommendations from this Board that has helped me many times make decisions when I get ready to purchase another scope. So far every one has been right on about their recommendations.
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I bought a VX-3 scope a year or so ago and it was a noticeable improvement optically over my old Vari-XIII.
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