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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/14/2015 at 13:29
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I have recently purchased a Sako A7 in 308 win. I am currently running a Vortex Viper HS-LR 4-16X44 on it. I have Vortex on my other large cal rifles as well love them all. I do have an issue with the scope in low light conditions when zoomed over 10X with eye relief. I am currently looking to replace it with a Leupold VX-3 4.5-14X50 with the boone and crocket reticle or the Swaro Z3 4-12X50 its only a 100$ price difference but is it worth it. I have had several leupold scopes through the years and nikons, but one day picked up a vortex and was so impressed I put them one all 5 large cal rifles. But I would like something lighter than what I have now and have come down to the 2 choices stated. I only hunt in the swamps of south Louisiana and may shoot 150-200 yards and occasionaly paper punch. Is the Swaro worth the xtra 100$?????????
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IMO, yes! One of my all-time favorite Swaros is the 3-9 x 36 with the #4 A reticle.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/14/2015 at 19:10
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Don't put the Swarovski on your rifle. If you were impressed with the viper enough to swap out all of your scopes. BEWARE If you put the Swarovski on this rifle it will cost you plenty. It will be hard for you to accept anything less . Then you will be replacing all your scopes again. Just trying to save you some cash. The Swarovski will be that much better. Wink
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Like 3_tens said...better pass on the Swarovski or you will be spending more money lol. After I bought my first Z3 it was less than a week before I ordered another, then another etc. For the money it is a great all around scope (lower end of Swaro but I can tell you that's not very low). It's lightweight, compact, Crystal clear, solid mechanicals etc. Optically it is certainly above the VX3. I absolutely love my Swaro's as a hunting scope. You will not be dissapointed with the Z3 and only a $100 difference is a no brainer. The only negative I could say on my Z3's is the shorter eye relief but it's not bad at all. The Z3 is brighter than the VX3 as well. Is the Z3 worth the extra $100? IMHO it is absolutely worth the extra money. However, beware it will be hard to go back to anything less after the switch. The Z3 is a superb scope at it's price point!!!

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Now thats what I was worried about, swapping the others over. I put my eyes through a VX-3 yesterday which as I figured was very crisp and way lighter than the Vortex I'm running. For some reason I believe the farther I can see with a scope the farther I can shoot. The most yardage I would be able to shoot in the perfect scenerio would only be 300 yards and I know I could do that with 9x cause i've done it. Scope shopping is the most hated thing that I do because of all of the choices and the great feedback on this forum for both of the choices I've picked.
 
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I think I am over thinking this

Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/15/2015 at 08:50
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Can't go wrong with either, but the Swaro is better.  Welcome!
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/16/2015 at 10:01
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I just purchased my first Swarovski. It was the Z3 3-9x36 with the #4 reticle. This was the first time I paid more than 250 for a scope. I have use Leupold, Swift, Mueller, an Sightron. While I like them all, the Swaro is an entirely different level. It is very apparent( to my inexperienced eyes) that it is so much better than all the others. And yes, I am thinking of replacing some of the others!!!
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/16/2015 at 10:43
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I removed the Swaro Z6 from my Sako 85 .308 and replaced it with a Leupold VX-2 2-7. Much lighter, not much difference in optical quality and a fraction of the price. I personally think a lot of the Euro glass is overrated and I've owned Zeiss Victory and Leica.

Shot a nice 6 point Red deer stag a week back using the above rifle and had no trouble picking him up in the gloomy forest conditions.

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Originally posted by 10-Ring 10-Ring wrote:

I removed the Swaro Z6 from my Sako 85 .308 and replaced it with a Leupold VX-2 2-7. Much lighter, not much difference in optical quality and a fraction of the price. I personally think a lot of the Euro glass is overrated and I've owned Zeiss Victory and Leica.


Am I reading this correctly, Sir? Not much difference between the Swaro and the VX-2?  

Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/16/2015 at 11:56
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The FOV you get from the z6 alone destroys a vx-2.
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I really wish I had 10-ring's eyesight! It sure would save me a lot of money!

Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/16/2015 at 12:22
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If 10-rings story holds any water I will just get a Vortex Viper 3.5-10X50 and spend the rest of my budget on another rifle.

 
 
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I haven't looked at that particular VX2, but I can speak from experience of having numerous hunting scopes in the field, side by side, over the past 12 years.  Among them the SwarA (Z3), S&B Summit, Swaro PH, VX3, VX6, Conquest, Elite 4200, and several others I'm probably forgetting.  Every single one of those will get you well past legal shooting light, even for my 54 yr old eyes.  The problem with many of the euro offerings was the much too thin reticles they came with which almost rendered them useless to me at a dusk against a darker background of brush, trees, tall grass, etc.  

I do believe brand bias plays into everyone's decision making to a degree.  After using a 2-12 VX6 duplex for the last couple of years, I haven't given the thought of buying a high priced euro any thought at all.  That's also true of the Meopta R2 1.7-10x42 I fiddled around with side by side with the Z6.  Even though it was indoors (best that could be done at DSC).  The Meopta R2 offerings are amongst, if not the absolute brightest scope available at any price, and they're backed by a lifetime transferrable warranty.  

Swamphunter, I'm sure you were poking fun with the latest Vortex comment, but IMO you're not far off in  your thinking.  I'd spend much more $$$ on a great pair of binocs than an over-priced euro riflescope.  It's your money though, and more power to you.  
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No much difference in a Z6 or a VX2? Am I reading that correctly? I know everyone's eyes are different but there is a big difference in those scopes from optic quality to build quality/mechanicals.   

Not trying to be rude here but there is NO way those two scopes are Comparible unless someone drove over the Z6 and broke the glass out of it. I'm not dogging the Leupy in any way here but those scopes are very different. I know my eyes like Swaro and Kahles then closely followed by Leica. Heck Sightron Big Sky's are actually very close optically to the Z3 as well minus the yucky Sightron reticles.

Everybody's eyes are different I guess -:)
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I agree with JGRaider....that VX6 isn't too shabby as a hunting scope. I really like those. The classic 4200's were work horses and lightweight as well. I have a lot of mileage out of mine.

I still think "if" the Z3 is only $100 more than it's certainly worth it. If there is a big cost difference the VX3 or Vortex are both great option. Best of luck!!!!
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JGRaider loves his Leupolds and recently been pushing Meopta too but one thing he mentions that I agree with, you only spend a fraction of your time behind a rifle scope while hunting, your money's better spent investing in a great pair of binos.
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Originally posted by 10-Ring 10-Ring wrote:

I removed the Swaro Z6 from my Sako 85 .308 and replaced it with a Leupold VX-2 2-7. Much lighter, not much difference in optical quality and a fraction of the price. 


Best VX-2 ever.
Worst Z6 ever.
Or both.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/16/2015 at 14:10
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JGraider I had been about your exact thought on the binos. I have some 8x32 leo's that I used this year instead of picking up my rifle everytime I picked up on movement and I can see what you mean. The only time I really "glass" through my scope is looking at deer on a pipeline that are out of range due to other stands in the way. I have 2 3.5-10X50 diamondbacks on 2 of my rifles and I have zero complaints with them during low light. A set of good binos and a viper would still be cheaper than a swaro for practiccal hunting puproses.
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

JGRaider loves his Leupolds and recently been pushing Meopta too but one thing he mentions that I agree with, you only spend a fraction of your time behind a rifle scope while hunting, your money's better spent investing in a great pair of binos.

I like what works for us in the field, regardless of brand.  I've become more enamored with value with my optics use, since there is little practical difference when big game hunting between $800 stuff and $2500 stuff nowadays.  The R2 is 1/2 the money a Z6 commands.  I love Swaro BTW.  
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Originally posted by Swamphunter Swamphunter wrote:

JGraider I had been about your exact thought on the binos. I have some 8x32 leo's that I used this year instead of picking up my rifle everytime I picked up on movement and I can see what you mean. The only time I really "glass" through my scope is looking at deer on a pipeline that are out of range due to other stands in the way. I have 2 3.5-10X50 diamondbacks on 2 of my rifles and I have zero complaints with them during low light. A set of good binos and a viper would still be cheaper than a swaro for practiccal hunting puproses.

Please keep in mind that a guy needs to buy whatever he wants, for whatever reason he wants.  That's a fact.  But IMHO the Leupold VX3 4.5-14x40 is not really one I'd want due to the finicky eye box, eye relief at higher mags, and to me it's just tough to get comfortably behind to hunt with when you're off the bench.  I don't recommend SwarA (Z3) 1" scopes because me and my hunting buddy have broken two of them, mine the 3-10x42, his the 4-12x50.  Others have had great luck with them and Swaro's customer service is fabulous so there's no worries there.  The easiest scope to get behind that I've ever personally used in the field is the 2-12 VX6, especially at higher mags.  You get a top shelf view at every power, but it's a little bulkier than a 1" tube scope no doubt.  
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What is to gain from a 30mm tube over a 1'' tube other than FOV if the both use 1'' parts?????
 The reason I ask is only because I've had a few optics guys locally tell me that some scope models I showed interest in were 30mm and they told me it would be no difference in light transmission. I thought their thought was fishy.
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I noticed no one through in the Ziess Terra 4-10X50????? Is there a reason????
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I have an fx 2 and a Z6. IMO the leupold is very lacking in comparison. In low light the swaro walks all over the leupold. When looking in the close direction of the sun the Leupold whites out terribly where the Swaro does not. Even my VX-3s do that white out crap to an extent. Not as bad as the vx2 though.

I do agree that a vx2 will serve well as a hunting scope in most daylight instances, but low light, twilight, and towards sun they lack considerably behind a Z6. But for the price difference they should.
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