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Thinking about buying a 3.5 x 10 LR/T with M3 dials. Can the leupold custom shop replace the M3 dials with M2 dials?
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I asked and they can replace M3 dials with M1 dials dont know about M2.  I would suggest that unless you are using it for military use stay away from the M3 dials and buy a scope with M1 dials. The M1 dials are 1/4 moa and are the best choice for Law Enforcement or target shooters. The 1moa per click of the M3 does not make most people happy, however it would be useful for a hunter if you hunted with .223  or .308  or 30-06 or 300WM. Once you find range you just turn it to the corresponding number ex: 6 for 600 yds and you should be on (except for wind).

If you want an M2 dial buy the scoope that is designed for it and has it on already. I think it is rather risky to alter the original form especially if you dont allready own the scope that doesnt make much sense to me

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You are not gaining that much between 8X and 10X  Personally my favorite is the 4.5-14 x50 with M1 dials.

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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I asked and they can replace M3 dials with M1 dials dont know about M2.  I would suggest that unless you are using it for military use stay away from the M3 dials and buy a scope with M1 dials. The M1 dials are 1/4 moa and are the best choice for Law Enforcement or target shooters. The 1moa per click of the M3 does not make most people happy, however it would be useful for a hunter if you hunted with .223  or .308  or 30-06 or 300WM. Once you find range you just turn it to the corresponding number ex: 6 for 600 yds and you should be on (except for wind).

If you want an M2 dial buy the scoope that is designed for it and has it on already. I think it is rather risky to alter the original form especially if you dont allready own the scope that doesnt make much sense to me

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  • Matte
  • Illuminated Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • M2 Target Knobs
  • Index Matched Lens System
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You are not gaining that much between 8X and 10X  Personally my favorite is the 4.5-14 x50 with M1 dials.

 

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I started out with a Mark 4 10X M3 duplex. Chose the duplex cuz at the time I wanted something there weren't any internet resources to learn about mildots. Last year I bought a 6.5 x 20 LR/T illum. and in several precision rifle courses saw several students getting lost in the M1 dials. I liked the M3 dials for sake of simplicity but didn't like the 1 moa elevation.

 

My ideal LR/T isn't being produced. It would be a 4.5 x 14 x 50, illuminated, front focal, M2 dials and TMR. I'm guessing front focal with illumination is somewhere in our future. In the meantime I'm considering a 3.5 x 10, M3 dials, front focal, TMR and I'll wait on the illumination. I'm sold on the front focal plane after seeing its utility in those classes. That's why I'm asking about swapping the M3 dials with M2. That 1/2 MOA elevation is a bit more practical IMHO.

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Call Leupold Custom shop - the windage adjustments on the M3 scopes do 1/2moa so they may be able to ust the parts from the windage turret to make that work for you. I think the idea is more that police traditionally have engaged only one target at a time with more time to set up and more need for precision.  The M3 is designed for military to engage multiple targets under stress and not get lost in the dial in corrections.  I think that we had better re-think the deal and be prepared to engage multiple targets. I would like to redesign a reticle using the TMR but adding 10mph and 20mph wind marks like the varmit reticle and using a narrow bottom post with lines farther down like using heavier cross lines for 200yds 400yds 600yds 800yds hold over .308   kind of like  IOR  NATO then leave the top above the 5th mil open like a draganof reticle


Illuminated MP-8

Illuminated TMR
   
Illuminated Tactical Milling Reticle (TMR)
http://www.leupold.com/products/reticles_TMR.htm    

 

   OR     Here is one I know you will want.

 

http://www.usoptics.com/sub_pages/scope_model.php?recordID=3

U.S. Optics Tactical Scopes > Scope Model: SN-3

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EREK 1/2MOA std

This scope can be tailored to your individual, department, or agenciesí needs/specifications--a tremendous advantage to Military and LE personnel.

Optional configurations:
Powers - 1.8-10x, 3.2-17x, 3.8-22x.
Eyepiece - rapid focus and extra long eye relief.
Eyepiece housing - Std and Low Profile.
Tube - 30mm, 35mm, 40mm.
W&E Turrets - US#1 target .25MOA/clk, EREK tactical .25MOA/clk and .5MOA/clk
Reticles - Milliradian and English, multiple styles. Custom reticles available.
Objectives - 44mm fixed, 44mm ERGO, 44mm ERGO Low Profile, 58mm ERGO.
Parallax/Focus control - Fixed, ERGO (objective focus), T-Pal (side focus).



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http://www.leupold.com/resources/custom_shop/Leupold_Custom_ Shop_Order_Form.pdf

 

From reading the custom shop order form I believe you can.\\\  It says convert to M1, M2, M3 available on all VX III  and Mk 4 models with M style adjustments.

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As a hunter i don't really know what police/military really need when it comes to applying trajectory compensation-- vertical or horizontal. But when i apply the reticle for long-range i use the horizontal (windage) tactically, i.e. i apply a system for it, since windage is really simply a trajectory in the horizontal plane. That being said i never order scopes anymore with a windage knob. I simply use the reticle, of which that 10X LR/T is excellent for accurate windage reference @ 6.8 MOA either side of x-hair axis. That oughtta get u out there aways in a 10 mph wind with a 308. Interpolative reticle usage (vertical and horizontal) is actually a very accurate system, quickly adjusted as conditions change.

 

Just got one of these in recently to test-- www.rapidreticle.com

 

I really like some of these reticles-- sort of a simplified Horus Vision system. Take a look at the RR600.



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SSCYOTOE says "That being said i never order scopes anymore with a windage knob"    So that's what I've been doing wrong -

Chris a little help here please could you tell me which models are available without a windage knob?

 

Military Applications

Note: I have listed the M118 (The current military sniping round) and also the Federal 175gr Match Ammo, they are both suitable for military sniping. The US Armed forces is currently in a transition to M118LR, which fires a 175gr Sierra Match King bullet, exactly like the Federal Match ammo, but it fires it 20 fps slower at 2580fps. The Federal Match 168gr is also included as the standard.

Bullet Drop (Inches)

100y

91m

200y

183m

300y

275m

400y

366m

500y

458m

600y

549m

700y

641m

800y

732m

900y

824m

1000y

915m

M118

+16.5

+30.0

+36.0

+34.0

+22.5

Zero

-35.0

-80.0

-144.0

-230.0

M118LR

+17.4

+30.4

+36.3

+34.2

+22.6

Zero

-35.7

-86.8

-156.1

-246.7

F-175gr

+17.2

+29.9

+35.8

+33.9

+22.6

Zero

-34.8

-84.9

-153.7

-243.1

F-168gr

+17.7

+31.0

+37.2

+35.4

+23.5

Zero

-36.7

-90.8

-164.3

-261.7

Energy (Muzzle - M118 - 2605Ft-Lbs., M118LR - 2586, Fed. Match 175gr - 2625, Fed. Match 168gr - 2520)

M118

2265

1940

1678

1400

1195

1035

865

735

635

545

M118LR

2247

1944

1675

1436

1225

1037

877

743

634

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